Originally posted by billeau2
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Todays athletes aren't always better
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Whilst I think strength and conditioning of boxers has greatly improved, the quality of teaching has decreased which is incomparable to other sports.
People here talk about how soccer players are better than ever now and this means athletes are generally improving. But that's because we have great trainers in the other sports who are finding new ways to teach. We have talent scouts that spot kids at 5 years old and put them in academies in soccer (football).
As for boxing? Any fitness trainer can pick up a bucket and gum shield and say they know about boxing. Where are the young trainers today with the talent and knowledge of Manuel steward or cus d'amarto? We're losing those great trainers and the knowledge of the game is going with them.
What we have left are boxers who are athletes first and fighters second.
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Originally posted by Humean View PostYou were certainly correct to point out that modern athletes are not always better than previous generations all the time, however that is a straw man attack on the argument that athletes/sportsmen are getting better over time.
What does this tell you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ju...rd_progression
or look at the top 10 jumps in history,male or female, look at the dates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump#Records
Either every or almost every event that can be meaured in such a way tells a similar story. I do agree though that in Boxing's case it is less clear cut.
Shotput record hasn't been broken for 23 years.
Discus throw record hasn't been broken for 27 years.
High jump record hasn't been broken for 20 years
Pole vault record hasn't been broken for 19 years.
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostAnd pray tell: when did football become technical? We have Vince Lombardi who preached smash mouthfootball, run it down their throats. He used a sweep that everyone knew was coming and we have that line of football players all the way up through maybe the very late 70's when Kenny Stabler, "lean and mean" smart as a rattler found a way to score....
The old Delaware Wing T was incredibly complex.
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Originally posted by Humean View PostYou were certainly correct to point out that modern athletes are not always better than previous generations all the time, however that is a straw man attack on the argument that athletes/sportsmen are getting better over time.
What does this tell you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ju...rd_progression
or look at the top 10 jumps in history,male or female, look at the dates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump#Records
Either every or almost every event that can be meaured in such a way tells a similar story. I do agree though that in Boxing's case it is less clear cut.
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Evolution happens when organisms are forced to adapt to surroundings for survival, mankind is pretty much the top of the food chain, and we need not worry about going extinct hence why our characteristics have stayed the same for the most part,, I do think that over the last hundred years, things like processed food, vitamins, medical breakthrus and training methods have cause for us to get slightly bigger, maybe stronger in some cases but nothing to drastic,,,
In terms of boxing, i think the athletes are about the same, technique and skill are the things lacking nowadays but i think that is due to guys not staying active, and being protected on the way up, and also how the amateurs have changed to now being just about how many times can you slap/hit a guy, it isnt like it was in the 50s,60,70s.. I think the watered down amateurs, and then lack of fights plus being producted has really hindered the skill development of this generation
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Originally posted by SBleeder View PostSo your point is that athletes peaked in the early 90s? If not, why has nobody broken the long jump record for over 20 years with all these improvements in training and nutrition?
Shotput record hasn't been broken for 23 years.
Discus throw record hasn't been broken for 27 years.
High jump record hasn't been broken for 20 years
Pole vault record hasn't been broken for 19 years.
Jessie Owens wins the gold in the 100m in the 1936 Olympics with a 10.3 time. Usain Bolt wins the 100m gold in 2008 with a 9.69 time.
72 years of supposed "evolution" and all there is to show for it is an improvement of about a half a second. In practical terms if Usain Bolt picked Jesse Owens' pocket he wouldn't exactly be putting distance between them running down the street.Last edited by StarshipTrooper; 11-14-2013, 06:12 PM.
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Originally posted by poet682006 View PostHere's the dirty little secret:
Jessie Owens wins the gold in the 100m in the 1936 Olympics with a 10.3 time. Usain Bolt wins the 100m gold in 2008 with a 9.69 time.
72 years of supposed "evolution" and all there is to show for it is an improvement of about a half a second. In practical terms if Usain Bolt pick Jesse Owens' pocket he wouldn't exactly be putting distance between them running down the street.
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Originally posted by Cardinal Buck View PostYou must be a complete idiot to think that 0.5 seconds is insignificant in 100m sprints. Reference: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm
I now expect you will ponder how many angels may prance simultaneously upon the head of a pin.
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Originally posted by Humean View PostYou were certainly correct to point out that modern athletes are not always better than previous generations all the time, however that is a straw man attack on the argument that athletes/sportsmen are getting better over time.
What does this tell you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ju...rd_progression
or look at the top 10 jumps in history,male or female, look at the dates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump#Records
Either every or almost every event that can be meaured in such a way tells a similar story. I do agree though that in Boxing's case it is less clear cut.
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