Ancient sophisticated civilization sight found believed to be the oldest in the world

[New England]

Edit that hooplah about floods like a white pussy or suffer a horrid fisting.

you're talking to me?

[Spray_resistant]

you're talking to me?

It depends, whats your race boy?

[kbpoetree]

Post evidence or STFU.

Youtube videos don't count.

good gawd can any of u ****s look anything up yourselfs
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0907150931.htm
http://www.dangoor.com/73page29.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology
http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technol...-flood-1.44135
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYo...wide_flood.htm

[New England]

Post evidence or STFU.

Youtube videos don't count.

the fact that flood myths are so pervasive should be evidence enough for you.


think about all the ways a coastline or river delta can flood.


now melt some huge icecubes at the top and bottom of the planet and bring the sea level up


if you need it, wikipedia will point you to sources


what are you looking for him to "prove" exactly?

[jjbj2]

i dont want to get into the subject too much, but in college i got the opportunity to read translations of many of the major texts from the major religions on the planet. game changer.


for instance, christianity and islam are based on judaism.

many of the stories you find in one bible show up in the other. literally. go check them out.


almost all major religions have a flood story
almost all of them. additionally, folk who had never had any contact with each other have flood stories. the logical line to draw is one between the stories showing up universally and their factual basis (especially one so pervasive as a worldwide flood// years of worldwide flooding and sea level rise.)

there was probably a flood, in other words. lots of them. major ones.


my guess would be that during the end of the ice age the melting of glaciers and the formation of lakes and rivers and a higher coast (from ice melting and water being allowed to flow,) these people experienced catastrophic "floods"


specifics (two of every animal in a large wooden ship, for instance) dont concern me much.

the universal notion that floods // rising water and sea levels wiped out large groups of people all over the world at around the time of the end of the last ice ace (12-11k years ago) does.


you seem like a smart lad
i wouldnt think you'd be willing to discount some of the most important texts ever produced as completely meaningless.


the more time goes by the more i believe that the history young people learn in school (espcially specifically american history and ancient // religious history) is intentionally creating ethnocentrism (the idea that one's group [racial, geographical, etc, is better than the others])

Yes, floods were common in the old civilizations because most civilizations were located near rivers or in a valley.

Valley: Noun

1). A low area of land between hills or mountains, typically with a river or stream flowing through it.

So, it is not hard to think and analyze that most civilizations scattered all over the world would have stories of flooding. Flooding, earthquakes, storms, typhoons, and volcanic eruptions are still happening in today's society just ask Japan, Haiti, India, and other countries.

It isn't surprising that people of different cultures chose to live next to an arable land and with water next to it. What separates the different civilizations are the technologies, architectures, art, written language, and religion they used in their existence.

A lot of us who went to college took Humanity classes. We remember that Europeans were influenced by Egyptian art just look at these columns:

Egyptian column:



Greek column:



Roman column:



Not to mention that those columns progressed all the way to the Renaissance and Gothic architecture.

So, to me I don't believe that there was this enormous flood that wiped out half of the world's population. It probably did in Europe or in the Middle East but not in Asia proper like China or Russia, Australia, North and South America, and Africa proper.

The common theme in Northern European countries especially concerning ancient civilization's religion is cold/ice/frost. Norse religion now called mythology. Most of their gods and goddess lived in cold places and hard places. Look at the Mayan, Aztec, and Incan religion it focuses in the Sun, Mountain, River, Moon, and Rain gods and goddesses because it freaking rains in South America a lot, it is hot and humid in that damn continent, and a lot of rivers and mountains again.

Look at the Egyptian mythology always Sun, Moon, death, harvest, river, cats, dogs, cows, and other gods and goddesses but their number one god is a sun god because it is freaking hot in Egypt. While in Norse mythology the "evil creature" they fear are snow monsters and a lazy smartass god who call himself Odin. Why lazy and smartass, because when it is cold outside you practically want to stay inside, keep warm, and drink yourself silly to sleep out of boredom just like Odin.

Look at the Greeks who lives in European Mediterranean having an easy life growing crops were easy, the weather is not bad with mixture of winter and summer, and lots of things to do outside no wonder they had gods and goddesses whose only jobs were to seduce men and women to have sex and have children.

It is only human nature. We use to make the gods and goddesses after our image but the freaking major religions like Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam made this god like this untouchable being thinking that it is a higher plane of religious expression but I digress.

Also, New York City is surrounded by a lot of rivers and seas. San Fransisco, Oakland, and Los Angeles are all located near rivers and seas. The only time that cities became a norm popping up not close to a river or anything is in modern times namely in the last 50 years of the 1900's and to now.

Nevada, Arizona, and Utah are just a few American states which have their cities drilling for underground water a difficult task for ancient civilizations to accomplish but doable since the Romans did it, Egyptians did it, and also the Inca ruins of Machu Picchu built on top of a freaking mountain so their water came from wells. Water dug deep enough to be fetched by a pail by the Incan people.

[squealpiggy]

good gawd can any of u ****s look anything up yourselfs

You made a claim, back it up. I could claim that I'm the rightful King of Norway but simply telling anyone who questions it to "look it up" won't get me a throne in HurdyGurdyLand.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0907150931.htm

I read the source. It does reference the biblical flood for some reason, but it also said

Prof. Beer was part of the team on board "Mediterranean Explorer" that recently headed to the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey, the site where historians believe the great biblical flood occurred.

According to the bible the "great biblical flood" was a worldwide event. According to this source it was local.

http://www.dangoor.com/73page29.html

This is also about a localised flood, not a global flood. And some of the data are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology

Flood geology contradicts the scientific consensus in geology, physics, chemistry, molecular genetics, evolutionary biology, archaeology, and paleontology,[2] and the scientific community considers the subject to be pseudoscience.

http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technol...-flood-1.44135

Local flood. Remember the Noachian deluge was supposed to be a GLOBAL event. Nobody is disputing the existence of local floods.

Just how extensive was the Noachian Flood?

Genesis 7 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

The entire planet was covered in water up to a height of 15 cubits over the highest mountain. That is to say that the earth was covered with water to a depth of 675 cm above the peak of Mount Everest, or 8,854 m above current sea level. Worldwide. Not a local flood, not a run-off from the Mediterannean, but worldwide. There is NO evidence of a global flood.

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYo...wide_flood.htm[/QUOTE]

This page is titled: "scientific evidence for a worldwide flood". The authors of this page believe that the earth was created by actual magic just 6,000 years ago.

The rest is simple pseudoscience.

So, do you have actual evidence or are you going to post more things that don't actually support what you are claiming?

[Amazinger]

is it older than the Sumerian sites? I thought those were 13,000 years old.

and when you say the sight might predate the "flood" are you referring to the Noah biblical flood where he puts Billions of animal species into an arch?

WTF?. Don't you believe Santa give gift to all the children in one night (perhaps a few hours)with just one sack!.

[Enayze]

pre-flood?


da ****k? Are you aware that the stories in the bible aren't historical facts, but rather "stories."

They actually are historical facts. For ages people thought the story about David and Goliath was just that a story, until archaeological evidence which was dug up in the 90's I believe proved that it was authentic.

For the longest time people also believed Troy to be fiction, and then came along Heinrich Schlieman.

[Spartacus Sully]

You made a claim, back it up. I could claim that I'm the rightful King of Norway but simply telling anyone who questions it to "look it up" won't get me a throne in HurdyGurdyLand.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0907150931.htm

I read the source. It does reference the biblical flood for some reason, but it also said



According to the bible the "great biblical flood" was a worldwide event. According to this source it was local.

http://www.dangoor.com/73page29.html

This is also about a localised flood, not a global flood. And some of the data are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology



http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technol...-flood-1.44135

Local flood. Remember the Noachian deluge was supposed to be a GLOBAL event. Nobody is disputing the existence of local floods.

Just how extensive was the Noachian Flood?

Genesis 7 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

The entire planet was covered in water up to a height of 15 cubits over the highest mountain. That is to say that the earth was covered with water to a depth of 675 cm above the peak of Mount Everest, or 8,854 m above current sea level. Worldwide. Not a local flood, not a run-off from the Mediterannean, but worldwide. There is NO evidence of a global flood.

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYo...wide_flood.htm
This page is titled: "scientific evidence for a worldwide flood". The authors of this page believe that the earth was created by actual magic just 6,000 years ago.

The rest is simple pseudoscience.

So, do you have actual evidence or are you going to post more things that don't actually support what you are claiming?

the argument isnt that the flood in the bible happened, the argument is that a flood happened, infact that several floods happened and this in turn influcended wrightings to include stories of floods.

no ones trying to prove the whole world was flooded or that the bible is correct word for word.

only that there were floods and these floods influenced the religious writings of the time.

[Hi-Dro]

LMAO the ******ness here never fails me....there is fact and evidence of a flood...wether u believe it was from God to destroy the world and Noah built an arc is up to u...but there was a flood no doubt...wow

no **** lol...

There have been floods, earthquakes, tornadoes etc... throughout the existence of earth. Why? Because it's nature. That's simply part of life. But, **** doesn't happen because of a metaphorical story tells us God did it. It happens because that's nature for ya *****s