How would Klitschko's career have looked without the use of illegal tactics?

[2shameless]

Well, that photo is of him weighing in exactly 215 vs Liston.

Clay weighed in at 210 lb (95 kg) while Liston was several pounds over his prime fighting weight at 218 lb (99 kg).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamma...n#The_weigh-in

No need to lie to kick it.

When Ali got much heavier than 210, he looked more like this

[Elroy1]

lol and in which world did the bodybuilders make good boxers?

If Peter wasn't so damn built and later fat, he might have been able to fight for more than 3 rounds.



Well, that photo is of him weighing in exactly 215 vs Liston.

So you're wrong again. As usual.

Samuel Peter was not a bodybuilder. He used strength training in his preparation, but he was a world champion HW BOXER!

It's a given that the large muscles built via weights can slow you down and make stamina challenging. It also confers many other benefits. Peter was able to bull his way through opposition like not many others ever could and swat them down.

Evander Holyfield said it the best "Those that claim that strength and power are irrelevant are those that do not have to fight against it!"

Muhammad Ali weighed 210lbs and 206lbs respectively in Liston 1 and 2, Liston being the one who weighed around 215lbs each time. So no I am not THAT wrong at all.

To be honest, you could probably find a 215lb image of Ali that looks relatively fit, although not 6-packed. Any version approaching the size of a modern HW though would be "chubby".

Please note also that WK not once fought anybody as small as Clay in Liston 2 and at 210lbs the Clay from Liston 1 was equal to WK's smallest opponent (Chambers).

Also Liston himself would be bottom 3 Wlad's smallest opponent.

Times change my friend!

[Boxing Goat]

When Klitschko does these things, it's cheating but when B-Hop, Floyd or any random slick black boxer does it, it's boxing genius.

[Elroy1]

When Klitschko does these things, it's cheating but when B-Hop, Floyd or any random slick black boxer does it, it's boxing genius.

Yes, I bet a demographic of all the anti-Klitschko posters on the site would reveal a "slight" racial motivation for the hate

[beez721]

When Klitschko does these things, it's cheating but when B-Hop, Floyd or any random slick black boxer does it, it's boxing genius.

very true and wlad usually gets the big kayo unlike the others mentioned

[sicko]

Sorry maybe I have a old school mentality and a lot of these young NEW Boxing Fans are 99% B1TCH so they want Refs and Judges to stop certain things from happening during the fight so that their favorite fighter can look good. Just like if they was to get into a fight their Mom would probably come running out to save them

Despite losing, Derek Chisora had the BEST strategy vs Vitali style when dealing with his Clinching and leaning on him. Chisora kept working inside and was punishing Vitali to the body and no question it effected Vitali during that fight especially down the stretch.

Clinching, Holding and stopping the action until the Ref Breaks been apart of boxing for a LONG TIME, it is video back in Jack Johnson days in which it was a lot of Grappling, Holding and Clinching going on inside so that has been part of boxing since the beginning and it will NEVER CHANGE. The real problem is that most don't know how to do with it today because most fighters today CAN'T fight inside!

So I don't fault, dislike or blame: Wlad, Vitali, Ward, B-Hop, Miguel Vazquez or WHO EVER uses that strategy, if their opponent is truly good enough they will figure out a way to deal with that style and come up with a solution to beat it...IF THEY'RE TRULY THAT GOOD!

DeGale was able to not only avoid Gonzalez Clinches, he also beat him at his own game inside.

Anthony Dirrell in the rematch, he did not complain as much in the rematch vs Bika, he came more prepared the second time for Bika Tactics.

Same with Kell Brooks, he beat Porter at his own game inside and yes he clinched him a lot but that is exactly the way Porter fights, when he was Hugging the hell out of Alexander that fight, Alexander did not cry about it.

So Bottom Line, and yes in defense of Klitschko's, it is not their fault, it is their opponents fault for not coming prepared for their styles!