If Tszyu is in the HOF, why aren't these guys even considered???

[boxingfeind]

didn't i say not to post if you were gonna make up crap? floyd himself said there were negotiations and that he offered pac a 40 million flat fee which is a joke because top rank/manny generate just as much money as floyd. also floyd said drug testing was the only issue so that was a lie. this doesn't qualify as "official" negotiations to you? maybe floyd was just kidding and he would have given 50/50 to pac next time? come back to reality and stop defending a ducker.

Check Hook said there was no Official Negotiations not that there was no negotiations. Floyd negotiated with Pacquiao who does`nt even call the shots in his career ,Arum does calls the shots so it was`nt official negotiations.

Floyd said drug testing was what kept the fight from happening cause he thought that was the only obstacle.Floyd said it himself that he`s been reading Pacquiao purses and he realized Pac did not deserve 50/50 with him Cause pac was geting paid much lower then he was on top of that Floyd co-promotes his own fights so as a result Floyd risk investing his own money into his own fights along with goldenboy,Pac does`nt promote his own fights so as a result he`s not investing any money cause Arum promotes Pacquiao.That alone shows Pacquiao does`nt deserve 50/50.Plus Pac lost to Marquez which decreased Pac value.

Back then Floyd agreed to 50/50 with Pac cause Floyd was not aware of what Pac was making and Floyd was`nt as knowledgeable about the business as he is now.

Had Pacquiao took the 14 day Random testing Floyd offered him 3 years ago Pac would have gotten 50 percent cause Floyd was`nt as knowledgable about the business as he is now.

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Check Hook said there was no Official Negotiations not that there was no negotiations. Floyd negotiated with Pacquiao who does`nt even call the shots in his career ,Arum does calls the shots so it was`nt official negotiations.

Floyd said drug testing was what kept the fight from happening cause he thought that was the only obstacle.Floyd said it himself that he`s been reading Pacquiao purses and he realized Pac did not deserve 50/50 with him Cause pac was geting paid much lower then he was on top of that Floyd co-promotes his own fights so as a result Floyd risk investing his own money into his own fights along with goldenboy,Pac does`nt promote his own fights so as a result he`s not investing any money cause Arum promotes Pacquiao.That alone shows Pacquiao does`nt deserve 50/50.Plus Pac lost to Marquez which decreased Pac value.

Back then Floyd agreed to 50/50 with Pac cause Floyd was not aware of what Pac was making and Floyd was`nt as knowledgeable about the business as he is now.

Had Pacquiao took the 14 day Random testing Floyd offered him 3 years ago Pac would have gotten 50 percent cause Floyd was`nt as knowledgable about the business as he is now.

why do people on here not have brains? top rank is manny's promoter. when top rank puts on a manny fight they generate just as much money as mayweather does when he puts on a fight. saying top rank/pac doesn't deserve 50 percent means you are very uninformed/possibly re-tarded. it doesn't matter if the money doesn't go to manny. floyd's not dealing with manny he's dealing with top rank you bafoons. floyd knows how much top rank is making per manny fight i can assure you that and that's why he low balled the s-hit out of him because he knew arum would never let floyd rob him.

and for the 14 day random testing are you people stupid or something? floyd wouldn't even accept zero days but now he's accepting 14 days? do you just ignore all the evidence in the entire world and put your faith in floyd? don't look at floyd's actions look at what he says! floyd is not the man behind the curtain!

[check hook]

didn't i say not to post if you were gonna make up crap? floyd himself said there were negotiations and that he offered pac a 40 million flat fee which is a joke because top rank/manny generate just as much money as floyd. also floyd said drug testing was the only issue so that was a lie. this doesn't qualify as "official" negotiations to you? maybe floyd was just kidding and he would have given 50/50 to pac next time? come back to reality and stop defending a ducker.

What part did i make up??

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why do people on here not have brains? top rank is manny's promoter. when top rank puts on a manny fight they generate just as much money as mayweather does when he puts on a fight. saying top rank/pac doesn't deserve 50 percent means you are very uninformed/possibly re-tarded. it doesn't matter if the money doesn't go to manny. floyd's not dealing with manny he's dealing with top rank you bafoons. floyd knows how much top rank is making per manny fight i can assure you that and that's why he low balled the s-hit out of him because he knew arum would never let floyd rob him.

and for the 14 day random testing are you people stupid or something? floyd wouldn't even accept zero days but now he's accepting 14 days? do you just ignore all the evidence in the entire world and put your faith in floyd? don't look at floyd's actions look at what he says! floyd is not the man behind the curtain!

That's right they are his promoter, and when Floyd's "acting" promoter called to negotiate terms for a fight they said they weren't interested. What part of that didn't happen???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????

[check hook]

why do people on here not have brains? top rank is manny's promoter. when top rank puts on a manny fight they generate just as much money as mayweather does when he puts on a fight. saying top rank/pac doesn't deserve 50 percent means you are very uninformed/possibly re-tarded. it doesn't matter if the money doesn't go to manny. floyd's not dealing with manny he's dealing with top rank you bafoons. floyd knows how much top rank is making per manny fight i can assure you that and that's why he low balled the s-hit out of him because he knew arum would never let floyd rob him.

and for the 14 day random testing are you people stupid or something? floyd wouldn't even accept zero days but now he's accepting 14 days? do you just ignore all the evidence in the entire world and put your faith in floyd? don't look at floyd's actions look at what he says! floyd is not the man behind the curtain!

For the record, Pac deserves 50% . No issues from me regarding that. The way Pac manages his business (not getting as big a slice of the tottal pie as Floyd) is irrelevant. Only numbers are relevant, and in that regard he is close enough to Mayweather to ask for ahnd deserve 50%, though this could change if Floyd vs Cotto does 1.6m buys or more.

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why do people on here not have brains? top rank is manny's promoter. when top rank puts on a manny fight they generate just as much money as mayweather does when he puts on a fight. saying top rank/pac doesn't deserve 50 percent means you are very uninformed/possibly re-tarded. it doesn't matter if the money doesn't go to manny. floyd's not dealing with manny he's dealing with top rank you bafoons. floyd knows how much top rank is making per manny fight i can assure you that and that's why he low balled the s-hit out of him because he knew arum would never let floyd rob him.

and for the 14 day random testing are you people stupid or something? floyd wouldn't even accept zero days but now he's accepting 14 days? do you just ignore all the evidence in the entire world and put your faith in floyd? don't look at floyd's actions look at what he says! floyd is not the man behind the curtain!

In the first negotiation he offered 14 days to team MP, even though Manny and his cohorts lied and said it was them who offered that compromise and Floyd who turned it down despite the insistence of his advisers. What kind of fighter that is being ducked would need to make that kind of **** up????




Here's the mediator saying they lied:

http://www.boxingscene.com/mediator-...gations--24552


Here's Floyd saying what they lied about:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content6646.html


Here's Arum, Koncz and Schafer confirming Manny didn't want a 14 day cut off:

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...tiations010810
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...tey/index.html

Floyd won't accepot ZERO now!!!! And why should he? You tell us to look at Floyd's actions??? What about the actions of MP and his team at every turn. They are the one with piles and piles of excuses everytime this fight comes up!!!!!!!!!

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Diego died in 2007 so he'll be up for consideration in 2012/13

[4Corners]

Somehowthis turned into a Naseem Hamed and Floyd Mayweather thread........

If Tszyu got in so easily based on his resume, which is solid with some good wins, than Castillo-Corrales-Hatton should get in as well. And if Brian Mitchell and Barry Mcguigan got into the HOF, than Genaro Hernandez should as well. And I'm sure Naseem Hamed will be considered at some point as well.

Bottom line....All these guys are good fighters.

It's hard to find one fighter in history that traveled through 4-5 weight classes and beat every single belt holder. It just doesn't happen. Floyd beat the two best SFW when he was there in Genaro Hernandez and Diego Corrales. He didn't beat Casamayor or Freitas, but Freitas would lose to Corrales and Casamayor lost to Corrales and Castillo, but also beat them. Floyd still has a really really good SFW resume. Genaro, Manfredy, Gerena, Corrales, C. Hernandez, and Chavez, that's a very good SFW resume. And the other belt holders at LW were Doroftei, Spadafora, and Grigorian. The only plausible fight out of the other LW champs there would have been Spadafora, but he arguably lost to Victoriano Sosa, who Floyd fought and beat. Sosa was a Top 10 ranked LW at the time and had arguably beaten Spadafora when they fought.

S**t happens in boxing, especially with guys jumping through so many weight classes. I didn't see Manny fight Larios, Adams, or Ayala at 122. He only fought Larios right after he got beat years later. He didn't fight Medina or Harrison at 126. He didn't fight Raheem, Guzman, Barrios, Valero, or Soto at 130. He was only at 135 for one fight, but the best fight at that time there would have easily been Nate Campbell, even though Diaz was a decent fight. He was only at 140 for one fight, but it was against Ricky Hatton, the RING Champ there and he was unbeaten there. Sort of like when Floyd fought Genaro at 130. And at 147, Manny didn't fight Berto or Ortiz.

It goes both ways for everyone. At 130, Floyd didn't fight Casamayor or Freitas. At 135, he didn't fight Lazcano. At 140, he didn't fight Tszyu. At 147, he didn't fight Margarito or Cotto (he is fighting Cotto now at 154 though). S**t happens in boxing, oh well. Fans need to get over it.

[shade darkar]

tszyu is one of the best light welterweights of all time. thats why he is in the hall of fame.

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