Shocking PED revelations by T. Hauser. GBP, Mayweather, Quillin, Morales.

[warp1432]

No, they cannot. USADA does not have such authority in boxing. Same with VADA. They test and supply results, but they can't enforce sanctions. Keep in mind the testing is voluntary in the first place, not mandatory.

You are right they cannot enforce sanctions, but they set them. It's up to the commissions to stay true to them.

USADA also seems to have the right to with hold results from the commissions like they did with the NYSAC.

[PAC-BOY]

Show me where i said i didn't like boxing??
Because its called criticising, you know the same **** you do with other boxers on here??duuuh.Boxing doesn't take the right 'procedures' it what you failed to observe little boy.

The little boy truly crushed me.sniff snif! Fu8k boxing can mean so much....be more clear with your words. Dont be such a little girl about it. It was a question. No need to get your g string up your azz!

[K-Nan]

There is a lot to take away from this article and a lot that hasn't been said at the same time.

Below are my thoughts:

Hauser shouldn't have opened with rumors

This is what this thread has mostly focused on for the last 80 pages, and it's obviously the biggest story of the bunch. However, Hauser shouldn't have started with it nor included it if he couldn't at least find sources of said rumors.

Hauser covers the basic grounds of clearly stating their rumors, but look how many people now belief Floyd has tested positive three times. Would I be surprised if Floyd did? No, not at all.


Still for all the integrity Hauser has as an author*, he should have at least gotten sources to where they or he had heard the rumors from. GBP's lawyers mentioned it to Montoya before he had ever written anything about it officially, but it's pretty obvious that Montoya had heard it from other people.

The problem with this is both Hauser and Montoya failed to, on multiple occasions, say that sources directly told them that they suspected Floyd failing three tests.

It's also to note that...

Hauser has been wrong before regarding Golden Boy Promotions

Anyone who has read my critiques of Hauser knows that I strongly disagreed with a lot of his HBO rants during the Greenburg era. However, Hauser has been factually wrong about Golden Boy Promotions before too.

Hauser wrote regarding Ortiz Campbell...



http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing...xing-news/why-

Golden Boy was originally suspended by the NYSAC for failing to file documents in a timely manner. However, Hauser and George Kimball ran with the story without investing speculating that GBP was moving money around.

They were wrong:



Why is this relevant here? Because speculation, which in the case of Floyd's USADA tests, isn't always right. Hauser was wrong before and could be wrong about implying the reason Pacquiao-Mayweather's suit was settled because TR requested for Mayweather's medical records. It's speculation and isn't backed up by sources or any such thing.

Although people are ignoring the positives of the article too.

Hauser did some great reporting

While a lot of it is rehash of what Montoya has been saying the last six months, Hauser has some great insight from Ryan Connolly and VADA's side regarding Andre Berto's positive tests.

When Hauser actually sticks to the events, some great questions and facts arise from it. Hauser points out the hypocrisy by Berto's side by saying people were attacking him but there was an effort to deny those tests from coming positive along as possible. Lou Dibella wasn't informed by Golden Boy until after they started looking for replacements.

We saw this in Morales-Garcia too. Who knows if we would have found out about Morales testing positive if it weren't for Scott Hale, an owner of a small time boxing website?

GBP tried to delay Morales' tests to be put out there, as first noted by Eric Gomez. Gomez told Boxingscene that the rumor of Morales testing positive was absolutely false.

GBP also tried to delay the results of Morales' B samples from coming back until after the fight initially (Dan Rafael reported this). Morales was also tested 3 different A&B samples before USADA cleared him to fight!

If there was something that really needs to be taken away from this article, more so than Floyd's tests, is that there isn't enough transparency in drug testing.

Which leads me to my final point...

USADA blew a huge opportunity to help the sport and is as shady as GBP in this process

Back in 2010, Travis Tygart was engaging. He was willing to talk to media members. Even I, who isn't really known in the Boxing world, interviewed him twice (http://maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing...or-every-fight) .

Tygart openly engaged media members and boxing officials/promoters, how boxing needed better testing. To really have to a successful program, you needed transparency and better testing protocols.

While there may or may not be better testing protocols performed by USADA (who knows if they use CIR every time they test?), USADA really shit the bed when it came to positive tests and working with Golden Boy.

USADA gave Morales three different opportunities to test negative! When he finally did on the third test, which was unprecedented and shouldn't have happened, Morales was allowed to fight on. Morales' excuse of contaminated meat shouldn't have passed WADA protocol either. USADA failed to live up to their higher bodies protocol.

Instead they acted in Golden Boy's interest, they not only allowed Morales to fight but they even destroyed samples that were taken for Quillin Wright! When asked about this by other reporters, USADA has yet to return any calls.

What happened to the Travis Tygart who said this:



Wouldn't doing the right thing would have been cancelling a fight after testing positive?

Also it should be noted that Morales-Garcia was never announced as a fight that USADA was doing in the first place. It raises the question of how many other fights, like Floyd Mayweather in this case, could have tested positive but not come to light.

Why anyone would favor USADA over VADA is beyond me.

*Earlier I called Hauser an author instead of a journalist. The way he writes flows much more like a story than a newspaper piece It should be said instead of "says," which Hauser does repeatedly.

Great post, as usual.

[Light_Speed]

The case against the players were overturned. They were banned and then cleared to play. But yeah, it was dropped.

My bad on the confusion.

Ok so WADA does consider contaminated beef a valid excuse for mexican athletes, just like I said in my original post. You said Morales excuse wouldn't have worked with WADA.

[BoxingGenius27]

We have a commission. No one fighter should dictate how the commission does their job or how they test fighters. Floyd isn't the commission; he can't change the rules.

We need to let the commission do their job.

[BoxingGenius27]

Floyd has passed all tests by the commission. That must mean he's clean. It has too.

[The Gambler1981]

I wouldn't put it beyond any athlete, especially an excellent one that is aging. Father Time is a mother ****er and really in boxing very few people seem to care about it so the risk is probably worth the reward especially if someone is making money like Floyd.

Still if that is the best Hauser has that is pretty soft if he had more he would have showed it because he loves going into great detail and he did that in other parts of his piece.

I just don't believe USADA would cover for them like that, the same agency that hounded Armstrong for years after he retired and all those other athletes like Marion Jones. Now they are going to play a patsy for essentially chump change, I guess there could be corrupt people in the organization but eventually all that will come to light. That would have to be a pretty grand conspiracy.

[AP♠]

The little boy truly crushed me.sniff snif! Fu8k boxing can mean so much....be more clear with your words. Dont be such a little girl about it. It was a question. No need to get your g string up your azz!

who calls themselves floyd-boy or Cotto-boy around here?? Pac-boy LOL.


You said it yourself f boxing can mean anything,good assumption to answering your uneducated guess about me.

[warp1432]

Ok so WADA does consider contaminated beef a valid excuse for mexican athletes, just like I said in my original post. You said Morales excuse wouldn't have worked with WADA.

It does and it doesn't depending on the case. The hard thing with these cases is that it's normally a case by case basis and precedents aren't normally set.

In 2012, Cyclist Alberto Cantador was banned two years for testing positive for clenbutrol. He, like Morales, said he had eaten contaminated meat.


But you're right. I was wrong act like I was 100% sure Morales' excuse wouldn't have worked, but at the same time I'm not sure it would have been bought by another agency.

[K-Nan]

They just read the dumb ass thread title and ran with it.

Sad but true