Two of the judges gave Barker the 12th round

[New England]

Pretty much this, I suspect most of these judges aren't even hardcore boxing fans. Neutral boxing trainers would make the best judges imo, they've lived the sport.

they're biased, though. a trainer who trains pure boxers will benefit them in scoring, thinking that style to be the most effective and recognizing better the way it makes an impression on the scoring.

a mexican trainer might benefit guys not because they're Mexican, but because they're using a style that he believes to be most effective.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Pretty much this, I suspect most of these judges aren't even hardcore boxing fans. Neutral boxing trainers would make the best judges imo, they've lived the sport.

I dont think this is true as it takes quite a bit of time and many many many fights in the amateurs to become a pro judge. You have to commit to it even if you arent very good (and even if you are related to a judge or ref).

The thing about judging is that there is always going to be a difference of opinion. The tricky part is finding people that wont stray too far from a respectable difference.

[Weebler I]

they're biased, though. a trainer who trains pure boxers will benefit them in scoring, thinking that style to be the most effective and recognizing better the way it makes an impression on the scoring.

a mexican trainer might benefit guys not because they're Mexican, but because they're using a style that he believes to be most effective.

Trainers usually train fighters with different styles, particularly the older ones that have been in the game for a long time. Roach trains Provodnikov, Chavez and Pacquiao. Hunter trains Ward and Khan. Nazim Richardson trained Hopkins and Mosley. All these guys have different styles and trainers have pretty much seen it all in the sport. They would have to former trainers if they were to judge, you couldn't have current trainers.

Granted, some of them may have bias but I'd take their opinions over random boxing judges who probably don't even watch the sport like that.

[New England]

Trainers usually train fighters with different styles, particularly the older ones that have been in the game for a long time. Roach trains Provodnikov, Chavez and Pacquiao. Hunter trains Ward and Khan. Nazim Richardson trained Hopkins and Mosley. All these guys have different styles and trainers have pretty much seen it all in the sport.

Granted, some of them may have bias but I'd take their opinions over random boxing judges who probably don't even watch the sport like that.

roach didn't teach any of those guys to fight, other than pacquiao, who he had for a decade. jack mosley taught shane mosley to fight. richardson has had a long involvement with hopkins, but bouie fisher was his primary coach.


most trainers have a style that they teach. it is often based on geography. they teach the styles or mannerisms that they see when they come up as trainers and learn their craft, often in the amateurs.

american midwest is slick (kevin cunningham, the mayweathers, steward)

new york and northeast is cute/tricky (richardson, eddie futch, fisher, mcgurt.)

mexico is inside with upper body motion

europe is upright and technical.

[Light_Speed]

But the judges only agreed on six rounds (2 & 6 for Geale & 3, 7, 10 & 11 for Barker) so to say that the last round made a real difference is ignoring the other 5 rounds where they disagreed. And a bit silly.

It's not about that, it's about the fact that it was a clear Geale round, scoring it for Barker is insane.