Bernard Hopkins is the most Underrated fighter of our Era

[Tom Cruise]

Please resort to Bojangles response.

BTW, how long has B-Hop been around??

From Mercado to Jean Pascal, his first and last world level wins, 16 years.

Floyd went 17 years between Hernandez and Pacquiao and Manny went 18 years between Sasakul to Bradley III.

Longevity at the top is the most important factor. Its what produces the most wear and tear

[bojangles1987]

Nope, no, not at all. If you can honestly tell me there weren't any fighters, (especially) at 154 and even 147, who they 'd be at least even against or underdogs against, then maybe what you say would be true. B-Hop fought those guys. Floyd and Pacman did not.

We know Floyd ran from his own interview when Margarito showed up. (Margarito) was the most feared welterweight before PDub took the cake. Floyd/Pacman didn't want the work. Team Pacman is even on record as saying "they're brave, but not that brave", concerning the Margarito that destroyed Cotto.

Both Martinez and GGG offered to fight Floyd and or Pacman at 154. Both were in fact 154 champions. Floyd/Pacman would not have been favored against those guys mentioned. Pacman only fought margarita after he was sure he was shot.

Not to mention the age in which B-Hop dominated favored opponents.

The examples your giving are if Mayweather or Pacquiao fight immensely bigger fighters in divisions stretching their physical limits. In 2 of the 3 fights you listed for Hopkins, he was the underdog against much smaller fighters, including one he brought up to a 170 catchweight from 160. Is there any fighter in the world that would apply to with Mayweather or Pacquiao? Of course not. Mayweather would have been a considerable favorite against Margarito, even though he ducked it.

I don't agree with holding that against them for not being underdogs, specifically when you look at the fights Hopkins was an underdog in.

[SN!PER]

Bhop is one of the smartest fighters of all time.

He beat stronger, faster, and younger men by using superior strategy.

[therealpugilist]

He did the same thing against Taylor both times. He lost those fights because of slow starts, not inability to adjust. Mid-fight adjustments made both fights close.

....if he started slow in fight one, but didn't change his approach in fight two, that means he...did....not.....adjust.....

Look at Joe Louis in his rematches

Floyd in his rematches

Ray Leonard with his rematches

and other all time greats......if you lost, or had it tough, you make adjustments in your game plan


Hopkins knew he had to throw more shots, keep Taylor honest and take his jab away...... he just thought the same old thing that has been working would work.

[bluebeam]

I mean his entire career this guy has been nonstop fighting the best and toughest challenges available to him and he near beat every damn one of them.

Forget Floyd and Forget Pacquiao, B-Hop has undoubtedly THE best resume of any ****ing fighter in this century.

He KO'd Glen Johnson when he was undefeated.

He KO'd Trinidad when he was undefeated and looking unstoppable.

He KO'd Oscar

He moved up in weight and UD'd a legit Light Heavyweight in Antonio Tarver coming from a Roy Jones KO in his first fight at 175

I thought he beat Calzaghe, who was undefeated.

He embarassed an undefeated Kelly Pavlik when he was looking unstoppable as an old man

He became the oldest World Champion of all time and embarassed Pascal twice

He destroyed Tavoris Cloud's career.

And to top it all off, as a ****ing Grandpa, this guy challenged the most dangerous ****ing light heavyweight in the world, in his prime, and was the first guy to survive 12 Against Kovalev.

Bernard Hopkins is a ****ing legend and the best fighter of our era. Mayweather's career doesn't even come close and Pacquiao arguably comes close.

Except benard hopkins isn't from the mayweather/pacquiao era. Benard hopkins is 12 years older than floyd and 15 years older than pacquiao. Lol

Hopkins lost his first title shot in 1994. Floyd was a amateur in 1994.

Hopkins is from the roy jones era. And we all know roy is the best of that era.

[bojangles1987]

....if he started slow in fight one, but didn't change his approach in fight two, that means he...did....not.....adjust.....

Look at Joe Louis in his rematches

Floyd in his rematches

Ray Leonard with his rematches

and other all time greats......if you lost, or had it tough, you make adjustments in your game plan


Hopkins knew he had to throw more shots, keep Taylor honest and take his jab away...... he just thought the same old thing that has been working would work.

You said he can't adjust mid-fight, and he adjusted mid-fight both times. Hopkins's problems in those fights had little to do with his ability to adjust and much more to do with his age, his increasing difficulty to make the weight (which is why he jumped 2 divisions afterwards), and the fact he was fighting a very good fighter.

[bluebeam]

B-Hop is greater than Floyd and Pacman.

He beat better fighters and took greater risks. It's really not debatable if you actually look past star/ppv status.

Hell, Marquez may even have a better resume and done greater things than them both too.

Marquez has no resume.

Beating pacquiao and a faded barrera is a better resume than floyd and pac? Stop it bro

as a fighter marquez is a beast, but he has a weak resume.

[-2 Scrappy-]

I mean his entire career this guy has been nonstop fighting the best and toughest challenges available to him and he near beat every damn one of them.

Forget Floyd and Forget Pacquiao, B-Hop has undoubtedly THE best resume of any ****ing fighter in this century.

He KO'd Glen Johnson when he was undefeated.

He KO'd Trinidad when he was undefeated and looking unstoppable.

He KO'd Oscar

He moved up in weight and UD'd a legit Light Heavyweight in Antonio Tarver coming from a Roy Jones KO in his first fight at 175

I thought he beat Calzaghe, who was undefeated.

He embarassed an undefeated Kelly Pavlik when he was looking unstoppable as an old man

He became the oldest World Champion of all time and embarassed Pascal twice

He destroyed Tavoris Cloud's career.

And to top it all off, as a ****ing Grandpa, this guy challenged the most dangerous ****ing light heavyweight in the world, in his prime, and was the first guy to survive 12 Against Kovalev.

Bernard Hopkins is a ****ing legend and the best fighter of our era. Mayweather's career doesn't even come close and Pacquiao arguably comes close.

Amen brother. Was just watching the Pavlik fight last night. HBO really wanted him to KO Hopkins lol He was a master of the trade and one of the smartest boxers to ever step foot in the cage. He wasn't the fastest or the most powerful yet he still made you look stupid.

[therealpugilist]

You said he can't adjust mid-fight, and he adjusted mid-fight both times. Hopkins's problems in those fights had little to do with his ability to adjust and much more to do with his age, his increasing difficulty to make the weight (which is why he jumped 2 divisions afterwards), and the fact he was fighting a very good fighter.

that's why I feel he is overrated....when he wins....its a record or the best thing since sliced bread....he loses then its his age


they've been doing this since his loses to Taylor which had more to do with what taylor was doing, Hopkins wasn't doing than Age or being shot


he remained at a championship level another decade after this fight


If Hopkins could adjust as well as you say, he should have wins over a few of those guys...I can understand losing to someone like Jones(atg) but taylor 2 times? he is overrated tactically

[Tom Cruise]

Nope, no, not at all. If you can honestly tell me there weren't any fighters, (especially) at 154 and even 147, who they 'd be at least even against or underdogs against, then maybe what you say would be true. B-Hop fought those guys. Floyd and Pacman did not.

We know Floyd ran from his own interview when Margarito showed up. (Margarito) was the most feared welterweight before PDub took the cake. Floyd/Pacman didn't want the work. Team Pacman is even on record as saying "they're brave, but not that brave", concerning the Margarito that destroyed Cotto.

Both Martinez and GGG offered to fight Floyd and or Pacman at 154. Both were in fact 154 champions. Floyd/Pacman would not have been favored against those guys mentioned. Pacman only fought margarita after he was sure he was shot.

Not to mention the age in which B-Hop dominated favored opponents.

You are talking about fights that didnt happen as if they cancel out the ones that did.

Floyd has:

Hernandez
Manfredy
Ramon Rios
Augustus
Corrales
C Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Castillo x2
Ndou
Corley
Mitchell
Judah
Baldomir
ODLH
Hatton
JMMarquez
Mosley
Ortiz
Guerrero
Alvarez
Maidana x2
Manny Pacquiao

On his resume.

Pacs is arguably even better in terms of names, but less so in terms of dominance over them.

Hopkins cant compare with that depth, or the top level wins, or the dominance he showed in those wins.