Ranking the Greatest Fighters of the 21st Century

[Holywarrior]

Why Froch above Ward?

He's beaten the better guys.

pascal, abraham, dirrell, bute, taylor, johnson, kessler

vs

kessler, miranda, abraham, froch, green, dawson, rodriguez

[Humean]

He's beaten the better guys.

And lost fights unlike Ward, including to Ward!

Do you never take any consideration of losses?

[Holywarrior]

And lost fights unlike Ward, including to Ward!

Do you never take any consideration of losses?

Yes, but I also put stock into rematch wins.

[jas]

Yes, but I also put stock into rematch wins.

Hopkins > Mayweather in that regard.

And Ward has dominated everybody to the point where there is no need for rematches.

[Humean]

Yes, but I also put stock into rematch wins.

The thing that puts Froch above Ward is that he defeated Kessler in the rematch?

[Holywarrior]

The thing that puts Froch above Ward is that he defeated Kessler in the rematch?

and wins over Bute (who Ward didn't want to fight) and Dirrell (who Ward agreed not to fight)

Then add on Pascal and a Kessler rematch win. Yes, I rate Froch over Ward.

[Holywarrior]

Hopkins > Mayweather in that regard.

And Ward has dominated everybody to the point where there is no need for rematches.

I'm fine if you rate Hopkins over Mayweather, we already discussed that.

[Humean]

and wins over Bute (who Ward didn't want to fight) and Dirrell (who Ward agreed not to fight)

Then add on Pascal and a Kessler rematch win. Yes, I rate Froch over Ward.

Who is the better fighter, Froch or Ward?

[sugarsmosley]

no.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Hopkins
4. Marquez
5. Morales
6. Barrera
7. Calzaghe
8. Wladmir
9. Cotto
10. Wright
11. Corrales
12. Castillo
13. Vitali
14. Wongjonkam
15. Tim Bradley
16. Carl Froch
17. Andre Ward
18. R. Marquez
19. Sergio Martinez
20. Nonito Donaire/Ivan Calderon

solid list, but i would switch barrera w/ morales.. n probably ward over froch for me.. im jumping the gun on ward cuz i doubt he loses for a while

[Holywarrior]

Who is the better fighter, Froch or Ward?

Who's the better fighter, Hopkins or Taylor?