If Ortiz is a quitter so is Ray Robinson!

[TheGreatA]

It happens! George Forman pounded on Ali like what seemed forever and couldnt put him away and lost his championship. Then he came back in his 40's and won the Championship back. **** happens!

Foreman was losing the fight, ran out of gas and got knocked out.

Ortiz knocked Maidana down three times, started getting caught with wild right hands and wanted no more. You've got to question what he can do against world class opposition if this was too much for him. It's not like he was fighting Muhammad Ali in there.

[Slimey Limey]

I agree Robinson QUIT. He was going to get KO'd by Maxim but put on a fine acting job to save himself.

Maxim was in the same situation as Quitter Ray Robinson, but he didn't put on an acting job to QUIT.

[TheGreatA]

I agree Robinson QUIT. He was going to get KO'd by Maxim but put on a fine acting job to save himself.

Maxim was in the same situation as Quitter Ray Robinson, but he didn't put on an acting job to QUIT.

MAXIM WALKED to his dressing room. Robinson was led back and attended by Dr. Ira McCown. "Robinson is out in left field," McCown said. "He can't talk rationally. That kind of heat prostration could kill a man."

"They should have stopped it after the 11th," said Joe Louis, emerging from Robinson's dressing room. "Robinson looked like a dead man."

[Pretty Boy1]

I agree Robinson QUIT. He was going to get KO'd by Maxim but put on a fine acting job to save himself.

Maxim was in the same situation as Quitter Ray Robinson, but he didn't put on an acting job to QUIT.

Look at 0:20 for my reaction to the above statement!!

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maybe $$$?

maybe legacy?

maybe recognition?

maybe greatness?

he knew he was entering the ring to risk his health and his life. if he didn't have that in mind, then he should just quit boxing

Wrong!!! First of all you are in no position to set any of those expectations because I am almost 100% certin that you yourself could never live up to them. Secondly boxing is first and formost entertainment/sport it's not a life and death struggle and it shouldn't be. So many other sports have rigid restrictions on what athleats can't do after they get hurt and you don't see their fans calling them quitters. You never heard anyone call steve young a quitter after he retired from football after suffering 10 concussions in his career. So why is it diffrent for boxing? Could it be that everyone (media, broadcasters, fans, and boxers themselves) has this dillusional ideal that a boxer should risk their life in order to be called a warrior? I'm more realistic in that boxing has and always will be just a game and nothing more. It isn't that important that a man has to risk his life and health to satisfy the ***ed up ideals of a fan.

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Foreman was losing the fight, ran out of gas and got knocked out.

Ortiz knocked Maidana down three times, started getting caught with wild right hands and wanted no more. You've got to question what he can do against world class opposition if this was too much for him. It's not like he was fighting Muhammad Ali in there.

Oh I agree with you and this adversity will show us what he's really made of. Lesser fighters have comeback from a lot worse so lets just wait and see. Ortiz and Golden Boy both want a rematch and I dam sure wanna see it. Isreal Vasquez quit because of a broken nose in the first Marquez bout and came back and beat him twice to make up for that. Ortiz just might do the same.

[Slimey Limey]

MAXIM WALKED to his dressing room. Robinson was led back and attended by Dr. Ira McCown. "Robinson is out in left field," McCown said. "He can't talk rationally. That kind of heat prostration could kill a man."

"They should have stopped it after the 11th," said Joe Louis, emerging from Robinson's dressing room. "Robinson looked like a dead man."

Like I said. It was a fine, fine acting job. Maxim was under the same pressure and heat. Gay Robinson wasn't the only man fighting in the ring that night. But he was the one that wanted no more.

By the way, i'm glad you brought up Joe Louis. Because he ALSO QUIT against Max Schmeling in the first fight. Look at him clearly concious but very frusterated on the mat, and quit.

Look at 0:20 for my reaction to the above statement!!

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You "beeez" angry "innit" "homeboy"?

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I only seen the fight once but I'm pretty certain what I seen. After Ortiz got up the ref asked him something, Ortiz appeared to say no and look away. At that time the ref grabbed him and took him to the doctor. Doctor says no but I think it was the ref that bailed Ortiz out of a "no mas". I don't blame Ortiz, he wasn't getting through that round.

[TheGreatA]

Like I said. It was a fine, fine acting job. Maxim was under the same pressure and heat. Gay Robinson wasn't the only man fighting in the ring that night. But he was the one that wanted no more.

By the way, i'm glad you brought up Joe Louis. Because he ALSO QUIT against Max Schmeling in the first fight. Look at him clearly concious but very frusterated on the mat, and quit.

I guess the referee who nearly passed out and had to be replaced was just acting as well.

Maxim deserves all the credit for being extremely tough and durable to last under the heat but this doesn't prove Robinson a quitter.

Louis had been eating flush right hands for 12 rounds and was clearly out of it when the fight was stopped.

You must have a very unique definition of quitting.

[fdotorres]

Wrong!!! First of all you are in no position to set any of those expectations because I am almost 100% certin that you yourself could never live up to them. Secondly boxing is first and formost entertainment/sport it's not a life and death struggle and it shouldn't be. So many other sports have rigid restrictions on what athleats can't do after they get hurt and you don't see their fans calling them quitters. You never heard anyone call steve young a quitter after he retired from football after suffering 10 concussions in his career. So why is it diffrent for boxing? Could it be that everyone (media, broadcasters, fans, and boxers themselves) has this dillusional ideal that a boxer should risk their life in order to be called a warrior? I'm more realistic in that boxing has and always will be just a game and nothing more. It isn't that important that a man has to risk his life and health to satisfy the ***ed up ideals of a fan.

ortiz can't live up to many of the expectations i have in my life. what does that have to do with anything? he's the boxer, not me

don't compare any sport with boxing. it's pretty ******, since these guys literally sign a contract to legally be able to pound themselves to the death

boxing isn't a game. it's a sport, and the most brutal one. if he has issues with it, then he can go play chess or any non physical sport. what he did yesterday isn't what ANY great boxer would do

you started saying that he didn't quit. now you're saying that he quit, but did a good thing. face it, you're just trying to make him look good