Wow! Paul Williams turned down 1.5 mil, for Kelly Pavlik!

[Bhopreign]

Please don't ban me. But the article says, Williams wanted 2.5 mil!!!! And it also says, Goosend said, Pavlik had physical advantages over Williams, lol at that one.

1.5 mil, was more then fair for Williams when he had really not done much but lose to Quintanna then beat Quintanna after beating Margarito.

Again, I firmly belive that Williams people are over pricing them selfs and really are not realistic with there demands.

In turn, the phillips win was a good win. But, now he's going up in weight for a money fight instead of making a name for himself. He just out for the money and that's not a bad thing, i just don't like the false hype and accolades he gets. The Phillips fight was a good start, but i think he will lose to Pavlik and can he recover we'll see.

No he's out there because he has a hard time getting fights. Williams-Pavlik is simialar to Williams-Margarito, only worse. He started off at 2.5 but said he would take less, but if Arum goes form 1.5 to 1.1 it doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell you he doesnt want that fight for Pavlik. The physical advantages are that Pavlik is fighting in a division that is 13 pounds higher, and is a stronger fighter, whats not to see about that.

[ferocity]

No he's out there because he has a hard time getting fights. Williams-Pavlik is simialar to Williams-Margarito, only worse. He started off at 2.5 but said he would take less, but if Arum goes form 1.5 to 1.1 it doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell you he doesnt want that fight for Pavlik. The physical advantages are that Pavlik is fighting in a division that is 13 pounds higher, and is a stronger fighter, whats not to see about that.

Read the article. 1.5 mil was Arums final offer! That was a great deal for someone like Wililams that didn't have any big names on his resume.

And William started at 160 so what are you and Goosen complianing about. And i've said it before already, Williams needs to stay put in one division and put in work. You think Margarito just sat on his ass, no he keep defending his title something William couldn't do effectivly and at all besides 1 defence. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that its better for Williams to fight at a higher more comfortable weight for now, while Margarito handles his **** then a fight between them gets big and Williams will only squeeze down for one fight then he'd just go back up in weight after wards, with a full bag of money.

Williams is fighting in higher division cause his body is forcing him too.

You remember that Margarito wanted to fight Winky and Winky said, NO!

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Please don't ban me. But the article says, Williams wanted 2.5 mil!!!! And it also says, Goosend said, Pavlik had physical advantages over Williams, lol at that one.

1.5 mil, was more then fair for Williams when he had really not done much but lose to Quintanna then beat Quintanna after beating Margarito.

Again, I firmly belive that Williams people are over pricing them selfs and really are not realistic with there demands.

In turn, the phillips win was a good win. But, now he's going up in weight for a money fight instead of making a name for himself.

He's going up in weight because HBO turned down several other fights. They are not interested in Williams fighting the WBO champion, Forrest turned Williams down on the record and Santos brings no money. When Williams fought Margarito, the purse bid was $1,506,250,and Goossen still put in more. Margarito received 80%^

You remember that Margarito wanted to fight Winky and Winky said, NO!

Chris Lighty, CEO of Violater Records and Winky Promotions, came on here and offered Margarito 1.5 dollars upfront to fight Winky. They never heard from Margarito again. There was a lot to the story that you are leaving out. I should know we followed it in 2006.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=4829

[ferocity]

He's going up in weight because HBO turned down several other fights. They are not interested in Williams fighting the WBO champion, Forrest turned Williams down on the record and Santos brings no money. When Williams fought Margarito, the purse bid was $1,506,250,and Goossen still put in more. Margarito received 80%^



Chris Lighty, CEO of Violater Records and Winky Promotions, came on here and offered Margarito 1.5 dollars upfront to fight Winky. They never heard from Margarito again. There was a lot to the story that you are leaving out. I should know we followed it in 2006.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=4829

It's Ironic how Santos brings no money cause Williams doesn't either. What happened when Clottey wanted to fight William? Williams and his people are bull**** liers Clottey wanted to fight him, Sergi wanted to fight him, you guys documented this. So Margarito made more money, doesn't the Champion always take the bigger cut of the pie? How many times has Margarito been short changed just to get the fight? Williams ain't doing nothing new and no one is avoiding him. 1.5 mil for Margarito but how about Paying Arum for borrowing his fighter whom Arum has a contract with?

Winky wanted to borrow Margarito the fighter and leave Arum out of the equation. Lol, Winky might as well have said, he don't want the fight.

Williams is the guy boxing is trying to bank on to live up to the hype, i don't know why so many people are trying to hype him up. Maybe cause he rolling on 24s, lol!

[pistol whip]

, so if Williams is offered 1.5 from De La Hoya he should take it because it would be his biggest purse to date? Laughable.

Yes because ODLH can earn 20 million plus against any fighter he gets in the ring with while Paul williams would be lucky to draw 200 people and earn a hundred grand if he fought a Stevie Forbes. The Verno Phillips fight was a Boxing After dark special for christ sake. It was such small fight that they couldn't even promote it under the HBO Championship Boxing banner.


Seriously I don't think you grasp basic econonmics and if Williams keeps thinking that he's worth more money he's never gonn get a big fight and he will be lucky if he' earning a hundred thousand a fight

[aether]

Lol, and yet he wonders why Arum didn't make the fight. Williams is a joke, if he thinks he deserved more when he hadn't done nothing after the Margarito win but lose and go on a low tier fight streak. Williams avoided, thats the biggest joke around.

you keep discrediting fighters who beat Mexican fighters . That makes most of your posts biased. Trust me, you will enjoy boxing more if you see past race and nationality and start appreciating the skills of non-mexican boxers. peace

[ProBox1]

It's Ironic how Santos brings no money cause Williams doesn't either. What happened when Clottey wanted to fight William? Williams and his people are bull**** liers Clottey wanted to fight him, Sergi wanted to fight him, you guys documented this. So Margarito made more money, doesn't the Champion always take the bigger cut of the pie? How many times has Margarito been short changed just to get the fight? Williams ain't doing nothing new and no one is avoiding him. 1.5 mil for Margarito but how about Paying Arum for borrowing his fighter whom Arum has a contract with?

Winky wanted to borrow Margarito the fighter and leave Arum out of the equation. Lol, Winky might as well have said, he don't want the fight.

Williams is the guy boxing is trying to bank on to live up to the hype, i don't know why so many people are trying to hype him up. Maybe cause he rolling on 24s, lol!

The facts are against. If you don't like Williams than just admit it. But you can't get away from the actual truth.

1. Margarito fought Williams without Arum involved and Arum got paid.

2. HBO turned down Williams-Santos and Williams-Sergie, already stated. Winky Wright was one of the few opponents HBO would approve for Williams. I think you need do some research because Williams' gets HBO some of their highest rating numbers for his fights.

3. Arum, on the record at least 1000000 times, said that he will NEVER do business with Al Haymon, Williams' co-manager. Arum uses that as his reason for turning down 4 million for a Williams-Margarito rematch. The letter that Arum sent to Goossen turning the offer down was printed live and clear on Yahoo Sports.

Arum won't do business with Haymon for Margarito but he will for Clottey?

What happened to that Margarito-Clottey rematch from last November? Canceled because Margarito wanted more time to relax, his own words, and then signed for Mosley while Clottey sits until 2009. Margarito-Mosley is about money, just like every other fight and the reason Clottey is sitting is because he brings no money to Margarito or Williams. Williams draws better than Mosley in Calif and he's not a Cali fighter.

[pistol whip]

you keep discrediting fighters who beat Mexican fighters . That makes most of your posts biased. Trust me, you will enjoy boxing more if you see past race and nationality and start appreciating the skills of non-mexican boxers. peace

How is he discrediting Williams when it's common knowledge that he can't draw flys to ****?

It's not like he said he was a ****ty fighter and even you must know that very few people are actually willing to pay to watch Paul Williams fight.

[pistol whip]

I think you need do some research because Williams' gets HBO some of their highest rating numbers for his fights.

bwahahahaahahahahhaaha!!!!!!!


So I guess there was 10,000 empty seats when he fought Verno Phillips because everyone was at home watching the fight on HBO.


Wow and I thought this board couldn't get any dumber.

[Squabbles94806]

I think they'll fight at some point in time. They have to. Shouldn't the elite fight with the elite. I'm not jumping to the conclusion that they're something other than being great. They both are on the road to stardom though.

That's where the money is. When there a higher demand to see a particular fighter. 1.5 mil is obviously a really good purse, but in a couple of years or maybe even this year; they'll be breakin +2 mil easy.

I'd pay to watch Pavlik fight. I'd pay to watch Williams fight.