Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[al-Xander]

Come on man. Shane just beat Antonio Margarito for the WW
title that Margarito won from Miguel Cotto. Mosley was looking
for a fight and Pac was looking for a fight. Why did Pac have to
wait for Cotto/Clottey to fight the winner "Cotto" at a catchweight
when Mosley was willing to fight Pac at a catchweight as well even
Lower than 145? Roach already said Cotto was damage goods
so why not go for Mosley who was the man at WW? Pac was
looking for a 7th title and Mosley had COTTO's. Cotto didn't
look that great against Clottey while Mosley's performance
was a great one. Your basically saying that it is ok for Pac
to fight nothing but Top Rank fighters.

What I'm saying is fights don't just happen just because one
fighter begs for it. It is not that easy. (Should I mention the
biggest fight the whole world wants to see hasn't happen yet?)
Several years ago Floyd was with Top Rank, he was offered
$8 million dollars to fight Margarito, another Top Rank guy. Did it
happen? Why do you think it didn't?

Point is, if you have to **** on Pac you have to **** on Floyd,
too. Or at least never mention one at all.

[IAMBIAZED]

What I'm saying is fights don't just happen just because one
fighter begs for it. It is not that easy. (Should I mention the
biggest fight the whole world wants to see hasn't happen yet?)
Several years ago Floyd was with Top Rank, he was offered
$8 million dollars to fight Margarito, another Top Rank guy. Did it
happen? Why do you think it didn't?

Point is, if you have to **** on Pac you have to **** on Floyd,
too. Or at least never mention one at all.

So true but didn't Floyd already mentioned this on one article that he already "knew" Margacheato was a cheat?

[al-Xander]

Do you see where you contradicted yourself?
It's ok for Floyd to be called a ducker because he didn't answer Paul Williams
call but not ok for Manny to be called a ducker for not fighting Mosley? You
said it yourself.

Where's the contradiction? You bolded the GBP part.
In that case P Will's is even worse than Shane's as Paul
and Floyd are in the same house. If Top Rank is allowed
to make in-house fights, who's preventing Haymon to do
the same thing?

[GRUSTLER]

Where's the contradiction? You bolded the GBP part.
In that case P Will's is even worse than Shane's as Paul
and Floyd are in the same house. If Top Rank is allowed
to make in-house fights, who's preventing Haymon to do
the same thing?

My point was that you said that begging for a fight
doesn't mean that you will get it and also said that
it was ok for the other fighter to get a fight because
he was begging for one. Don't see why it is ok for
anyone no matter the circumstances. They all
should be fighting one another. Floyd is repped
by Haymon and PWill but Floyd has his own company
and deals directly with Golden Boy. Arum promotes
and has his fighters under his company's umbrella,
while Haymon is only representation for both Floyd
and Williams.

[GRUSTLER]

What I'm saying is fights don't just happen just because one
fighter begs for it. It is not that easy. (Should I mention the
biggest fight the whole world wants to see hasn't happen yet?)
Several years ago Floyd was with Top Rank, he was offered
$8 million dollars to fight Margarito, another Top Rank guy. Did it
happen? Why do you think it didn't?

Point is, if you have to **** on Pac you have to **** on Floyd,
too. Or at least never mention one at all.

I never say it is only Pac but the majority of the posts on
here are all pointed at Floyd not making this fight happen,
when we all know that it is not true because Manny and Arum
played a part in the fight not happening as well and shouldn't
be denied.

[dan-b]

Dan, I thought that was what the whole debate was about?
Isn't it a debate about who's ducking who and who's lying and
who's trying to make the fight? Leaduppercut posted some
pretty solid evidence about Arum and how he fabricated alot
pertaining to the 2nd negotiations he supposedly had going
on for Pac/Floyd. Did you take the time out to read them?
Their basically countering everything that your trying to
debate. It is a documented and known fact that Arum was
not being on the up and up about making the fight a reality
but rather setting up Pac/Margarito. There should be no denying
these facts by substituting them for people trying to protect
Floyd's name. It's all there and for everyone to see. It is kind
of su****ious how Arum tried to make himself seem like he was
crawling through the desert to make the fight happen but in
actuality he was working on getting Margarito reinstated to
fight Pac at Cowboys stadium and keep all the money inhouse.
It's so obvious.

You clearly haven't been reading my posts. You're a Floyd fanboy anyway.

[LeadUppercut]

Yes, they are. They need an absolute otherwise they are confused. As you will see in this thread; I have some Floyd Mayweather fanboy, demanding I read obscure quotes from Arum because he feels they vindicate "his boy's" actions. He's clearly a troll as he's repeatedly ignored the fact I don't care for this futile "debate" any longer.

You are not actually a *******, you are a ***tard.

" Obscure quotes " ?

You fkn ******, those comments were quoted directly from Bob Arum.

Arum made DOZENS of similar comments, the "negotiating with GBP" rubbish, went on for weeks. It is not even slightly debatable that Arum claimed that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP.

Oh, except when he was forced to fess up and admitted it was bull****
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

You truly are an idiot fan-boy

And it amuses me that you do not "care for this futile debate", but are still here with your head proudly planted firmly up your asss

[LeadUppercut]

I mean these guys gotta be kidding me. Here's P Will
who's been calling out Mayweather ever since I can
remember. The guy is literally begging by willing to go down
at 147. (Well, you can't blame these guys. It's like winning the
lottery when you're handed the big fight.)
Did Paul Williams get it? A big NO! Roger Mayweather has
already spoken about it. He said Paul and Sergio don't bring
anything to the table.

These guys don't call that ducking, do they?

Joe, the subject is Arum's deadline bull****.

Are you on the wrong thread, or are you just taking the opportunity to have a little whine?

Explain this for me......

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

[LeadUppercut]

DAMN! I don't know how anyone can debate this at all.
I would think that if someone tried to, that it would be
called being a straight up fan boy.

Not one single poster has.....

* attempted to address the bull**** comments made by Bob Arum

* attempted to explain Marley's revelation's about the negotiations

* offered ANY PROOF at all, to the contrary

[LeadUppercut]

DAMN! I don't know how anyone can debate this at all.
I would think that if someone tried to, that it would be
called being a straight up fan boy.

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

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Fan-boy's, address the facts, and explain this......

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HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING TO YOU.....
Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM ADMITTING IT.....
Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324