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Old 12-27-2010, 04:21 PM
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Like who? Dawson is really the only name one can make a case for, but being that hopkins is in the twilight of his career and after money, it's understandable.

Hopkins has done something pretty amazing, the level of opposition. He's fought a number of undefeated fighters and number of guys with just one loss. Here is just a highlight going back to tito:

Trinidad - 40-0
Eastman -40-1
Taylor - 23-0
Calzaghe - 44-0
Pavlik - 34-0
Pascal - 26 -1

That's a combined record of 207 - 2. And to think 4 of those guys listed he fought over the age of 40 (everyone but tito). That's pretty remarkable.

And then of course if we go to the beggening of his career he fought an undefeated Joe Lipsey (25-0), Roy Jones Jr (21-0),. Roy Ritchie (14-0), Glen Johnson (32-0) and a handful of guys with 1-2 losses like Keith Holmes, Echols, Allen, John David Jackson, Mercado, etc.
Trinidad is a career WW. Eastman took forever to make because Hopkins was scared of fighting someone his own size. Taylor was a B level fighter who beat him 2x. Calzaghe abused him and made him try and quit. Pavlik was at a catchweight. He cherrypicked Pascal and ducked dawson.

He's old school alright, old school like a Ford Pinto.
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:44 PM
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Trinidad is a career WW.
Trinidad was a MW champion when Hopkins fought him and was a 7-1 favorite to beat hopkins.

What, would you prefer hopkins NOT unify all the MW belts and not beat Trinidad because some guys on the internet would criticize him years later? That was a huge victory for bhop at the time, again Tito was 40-0, the favorite to win and a MW champion.

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Eastman took forever to make because Hopkins was scared of fighting someone his own size.
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Taylor was a B level fighter who beat him 2x.
Do you honeslty believe he won both times?

And to point out, hopkins was 40 years old by this time. Taylor was also a much better fighter at that point then he was later in his career, after pavlik, etc.

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Calzaghe abused him and made him try and quit. Pavlik was at a catchweight. He cherrypicked Pascal and ducked dawson.

He's old school alright, old school like a Ford Pinto.
Now your true agenda is coming out. Please leave the history forum if you're not going to post seriously, this type of childish behavior is for the other forums.
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:03 PM
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Trinidad was a MW champion when Hopkins fought him and was a 7-1 favorite to beat hopkins.

What, would you prefer hopkins NOT unify all the MW belts and not beat Trinidad because some guys on the internet would criticize him years later? That was a huge victory for bhop at the time, again Tito was 40-0, the favorite to win and a MW champion.



LOL



Do you honeslty believe he won both times?

And to point out, hopkins was 40 years old by this time. Taylor was also a much better fighter at that point then he was later in his career, after pavlik, etc.



Now your true agenda is coming out. Please leave the history forum if you're not going to post seriously, this type of childish behavior is for the other forums.
Are you going to deny that he tried to quit against Calzaghe by repeatedly faking low blows and trying to buy time?
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Old 12-27-2010, 08:09 PM
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You have to consider with Pavlik, hopkins was coming off a loss to Calzaghe and Pavlik was undefeated at 34-0. Pavlik also fought Taylor at 166 pounds prior to Hopkins, so going up 4 pounds for him and hopkins going down 5 pounds was a "meet in the middle" agreement. Further, I think it's clear the way hopkins dominated by his skills, angles and just frustrating the **** out of pavlik, it didn't have any thing to do with size, pavlik was simply outclassed in the ring that night.

Winky was above his best weight but he was a top pound 4 pound fighter at the time. It was an ugly fight to watch on the eyes, but there were technical things that hopkins did that were interesting, for example he completely took away Winky's jab, who has one of the best jab's in boxing. Little things like that get overlooked because it wasn't a crowd pleasing fight. Ornelas was just a tune up, charity event in Philly and Jones, well that was a money/rivalry fight for bhop, did nothing for his resume.

And please explain how hopkins ducked Bute?
Hopkins threw Bute's name out there, said he was intesrested in fighting him, but after Bute demolished Miranda, Hopkins wasn't interested anymore

even James Toney said Hopkins didn't want to get anywhere near Bute, that it was all just a way of keeping his name out there

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Hopkins threw Bute's name out there, said he was intesrested in fighting him, but after Bute demolished Miranda, Hopkins wasn't interested anymore

even James Toney said Hopkins didn't want to get anywhere near Bute, that it was all just a way of keeping his name out there

it's a matter of styles, you know it...
Oh yeah its not like he'd be biased...right. I don't think you can call it ducking he was just trying to create some interest, in the end he fought Pascal who is arguably a more proven fighter than Bute and someone Bute wouldn't fight for whatever reason.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:14 PM
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Hopkins is like one of the modern throwback warriors like Chris Byrd or marquez
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Oh yeah its not like he'd be biased...right. I don't think you can call it ducking he was just trying to create some interest, in the end he fought Pascal who is arguably a more proven fighter than Bute and someone Bute wouldn't fight for whatever reason.
in the end, he fought the man who posed a smaller threat in Pascal
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Hopkins threw Bute's name out there, said he was intesrested in fighting him, but after Bute demolished Miranda, Hopkins wasn't interested anymore

even James Toney said Hopkins didn't want to get anywhere near Bute, that it was all just a way of keeping his name out there
Using James Toney as a reason to defend the argument is pretty lame. James Toney says a lot of nonsense and he's a spectator, obviously not involved in any sense of possible negotiations, etc.

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I would still favor old man hopkins over bute. Bute has a lot to prove. Him knocking out bums and C level guys doesn't really tell us much. Let's see what he can do against an A level fighter first before assuming Bute beats any elite fighter, let alone hopkins.
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After his preformance with Pascal you almost have to say Hopkins is like a George foreman or archie Moore, able to come back and fight with the elite despite his age disadvantage,

by the way, calzaghe didn't abuse ****. those slapping punches do not score points like bernard's pinpoint bombs do. period
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