Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the great heavyweights? - Page 2

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Originally Posted by QUELOQUE

16-25 and he's sitting pretty, since he doesn't have a win over a HOF caliber opponent.

co-sign. If anything his brother could probably crack top 20 because he was beating up Lennox until that stoppage. And just for fighting him thats big. Neither one will end up top 15 though.

RimmyDelicious

6-10, there is certainly time for him to crack the top 3-5 though if he stays healthy and active.

Scott9945

I'd probably have him between 8-12 if he retired right now.

Freedom.

Wlad has by far the most WBO HW title defenses with a total of 10, and the most IBF HW title defenses with 9.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/WB...eight_Champion

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/IB...eight_Champion

He now has 9 wins over current or former world titleholders (Byrd x2, Peter x2, Mercer, Rahman, Brewster, Ibragimov, Chagaev) and has a lot of wins over Ring top ten HW opponents (Jefferson, Byrd x2, Peter x2, Brock, Brewster, Chambers, Thompson, Mercer, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Rahman, McCline, probably more).

As far as I know, Wlad has stopped more opponents who had never been stopped before - somewhere between 15 and 20 - than any other heavyweight in history.

Steak

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Originally Posted by Freedom Fighter

Wlad has by far the most WBO HW title defenses with a total of 10, and the most IBF HW title defenses with 9.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/WB...eight_Champion

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/IB...eight_Champion

He has 9 wins over current or former world titleholders (Byrd x2, Peter x2, Mercer, Rahman, Brewster, Ibragimov, Chagaev) and has a lot of wins over Ring top ten HW opponents (Jefferson, Byrd x2, Peter x2, Brock, Brewster, Chambers, Thompson, Mercer, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Rahman, McCline, probably more).

As far as I know, Wlad has stopped more opponents who had never been stopped before - somewhere between 15 and 20 - than any other heavyweight in history.

meaningless stats dont make you great, who you beat does.

Even giving the ****ty division the benefit of the doubt and pretending its 'average', Wladimir has beaten about 10 or 11 top fighters. which is good, which is why he can be considered one of the best HWs ever...but even out of those Ive mentioned only about 3 of them were top 5.
He can still climb his way very high into the ATG rankings depending on how the rest of his career goes, but dont try that brainwashing **** just yet.

incidently, Jefferson, Rahman, Peter 2nd fight and Mercer definitely were not top 10 when Wladimir beat them. they had been top in the past, sure...but not at the time.

guys Wladimir has beaten that were top ten:
Chris Byrd x2
McCline
Sam Peter 1
Brock
Ibragimov
Lamon Brewster 2
Thompson
Chagaev
Chambers

DWiens421

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Originally Posted by warp1432

This right here.

Pretty obvious that you dislike him with that agreement.

Freedom.

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Originally Posted by DWiens421

Pretty obvious that you dislike him with that agreement.

I was pleasantly surprised that warp ranks him that high.

Maybe there's hope for humanity after all.

Steak · 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Freedom Fighter

Whether "who you beat" is any good or not in YOUR mind is decided not by how good they are, but by the opinions of so-called "experts" like Max Kellerman and Teddy Atlas.

What makes YOU believe fighters are great is media hype.

But what REALLY makes a fighter great is their actual achievements.

You're ALREADY brainwashed by Kellerman and the other "experts", that's why you've always been so negative about the Klitschkos, but you're not aware of it.

lol yep, Im an avid follower of Kellerman and Atlas, uh huh. Ive sure shown that in the past.

I almost always up the Klitschko brothers anyway, dip****.

Wladimir can easily be top 10 as long as he keeps going about how he is right now for a few more years, but your suggestion that a pretty record makes a fighter good is laughable.

Fact of the matter: Wladimir's best wins are Chagaev and Byrd. Chagaev couldnt beat Ruiz better than two middleweights could, and Byrd arguably should have lost against Fres Oquendo, Golota and McCline. I dont think even you will pretend that Oquendo is an amazing fighter.

Wladimir's dominance is pretty much unparralleled throughout heavyweight history, and that gives him a huge bonus...and I think in head to head matchups, he could fare very well against many of the best opponents. thats why I think of him so highly.

But stop make believing that Wladimir has beaten all these amazing fighters. its flat out not true.

Imatroll

Around 150-200

DWiens421

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Originally Posted by Imatroll

Around 150-200

Love the name, avatar and over the top post.

Good alt so far. Keep up the good work!

View Poll Results: Where do you rate Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?
He's #1	6	3.14%
From 2 to 5	11	5.76%
From 6 to 10	31	16.23%
From 11 to 15	33	17.28%
From 16 to 25	56	29.32%
From 26 to 50	31	16.23%
From 51 to 75	5	2.62%
From 76 to 100	4	2.09%
From 101 to 200	4	2.09%
Not in the top 200	10	5.24%
Voters: 191. You may not vote on this poll

RimmyDelicious Undisputed Champion Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,094 Rep Power: 11 Points: 51,112,738.79 Bank: 14,710,792.38 Total Points: 65,823,531.17 Donate	6-10, there is certainly time for him to crack the top 3-5 though if he stays healthy and active.

Scott9945 Gonna be more suspicious Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 18,681 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 65 Points: 51,237,587.32 Bank: 20,440,016,328,772.45 Total Points: 20,440,067,566,359.77 Donate	*I'd probably have him between 8-12 if he retired right now*.

Imatroll Undisputed Champion Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,146 Rep Power: 11 Points: 100,187,560.94 Bank: 209,928,205.81 Total Points: 310,115,766.75 Donate	Around 150-200