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Old 02-06-2010, 11:24 AM
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Both Pascal and Dawson started their career fighting at a few pounds north of middleweight. Dawson comes down from the 190's now, as seen on HBO. Do you know what Pascal comes down from? Cloud? How do you know he's naturally bigger than them?

Also, what did that post have to do with mine? Was it simply a wind up?
I am saying that Cloud is naturally bigger than Pascal and he is. And not only that, a Cloud-Dawson fight has history behind it because of their time in the amateurs together. There's a reason why Dawson is avoiding him.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:41 PM
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I am saying that Cloud is naturally bigger than Pascal and he is. And not only that, a Cloud-Dawson fight has history behind it because of their time in the amateurs together. There's a reason why Dawson is avoiding him.
There's VARIOUS reasons why:

Cloud only fights when Saturn & Venus are aligned
Tarver, Johnson, Adamek, and Pascal ARE better fighters than Cloud and their records prove it
Cloud's belt isn't worth as much as the WBC

Everything that you criticize Dawson for, Cloud is actually more guilty of. You make no sense.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:30 PM
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wel some people have williams in there top 10 P4P (not sure why)

but if pwill is anywhere near the top 10 then dawson has to be in there

dawson > williams in every possible way-skills,resume
If you dont understand why Williams is P4P Top 10. You need to go watch more boxing.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:53 PM
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DAwson is top 5 p4p in my opinion.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:55 PM
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I am surprised anyone is saying otherwise. Chad Dowson is a damn good fighter.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:55 PM
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If you dont understand why Williams is P4P Top 10. You need to go watch more boxing.
No he doesn't.

Williams lost to Quintana and should have lost to Martinez, neither guy is a p4p fighter.

Dawson has dominated everyone he has ever fought and never lost once. He is much better than Williams in every aspect of the sport.
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No he doesn't.

Williams lost to Quintana and should have lost to Martinez, neither guy is a p4p fighter.

Dawson has dominated everyone he has ever fought and never lost once. He is much better than Williams in every aspect of the sport.
Do you know how many guys have losses in the top 10 P4P? There are 24 losses totaled. Williams accounts for 1 of them.

Williams avenged his only loss by first round KO. So your saying that because he was in a close fight he doesn't deserve to be ranked. Do you know how many guys were in close fights? Wasnt Dawson just in a close fight with Glen Johnson??

You say Martinez isn't a P4P fighter? Who has Dawson beat in the P4P Lists??
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Old 02-06-2010, 02:26 PM
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No he doesn't.

Williams lost to Quintana and should have lost to Martinez, neither guy is a p4p fighter.

Dawson has dominated everyone he has ever fought and never lost once. He is much better than Williams in every aspect of the sport.
Really? I thought Glen Johnson beat him in the first fight. And he was holding on for dear life after a weight drained version of Adamek knocked him on his ass. And he got hit a lot in both fights with Tarver even though he won the majority of the rounds. That's being dominant? To be fair, Dawson's and Williams' resumes are just as good.
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Old 02-06-2010, 02:35 PM
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There's VARIOUS reasons why:

Cloud only fights when Saturn & Venus are aligned
Tarver, Johnson, Adamek, and Pascal ARE better fighters than Cloud and their records prove it
Cloud's belt isn't worth as much as the WBC

Everything that you criticize Dawson for, Cloud is actually more guilty of. You make no sense.
Hey, I don't disagree with the fact that Cloud is inactive as ****. That's why he better get on the ball and accept this fight with Johnson. But I'm just saying that it looks bad that Dawson is letting Johnson do his dirty work for him regardless of how inactive Cloud is. Cloud and Dawson fought each other in the amateurs like I mentioned before, and if Dawson was confident of beating him he would've fought him already.
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