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Old 01-28-2010, 06:03 PM
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well p4p lists is pretty much opinion so unless you have erik morales in your current top 10 i cant disagree much
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I like Abraham but he's got no business at #7 or anywhere on the top 10 for that matter. He lacks the resume.
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:28 PM
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Im a Juanma fan but damn!

I dont even put him in the top 15. Looking at the judging panel it seems it wasnt Lole's decision alone.

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Old 01-28-2010, 06:33 PM
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Im a Juanma fan but damn!

I dont even put him in the top 15.
off the top of my head

1. pacquiao
2. williams
3. mayweather
4. Wladimir
5. mosley
6. hopkins
7. juanma
8. ward

????? cant think of anyone else maybe donaire and chris john
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:52 PM
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off the top of my head

1. pacquiao
2. williams
3. mayweather
4. Wladimir
5. mosley
6. hopkins
7. juanma
8. ward

????? cant think of anyone else maybe donaire and chris john
Having Williams that high when he barely squeezed by a non P4P is laughable.

This is my Top 15 list

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Calderon
4. Mosley
5. Wladimir
6. Williams
7. Marquez
8. John
9. Caballero
10. Bradley
11. Cotto
12. Pavlik
13. Ward
14. Dawson
15. Haye
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:59 PM
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Having Williams that high when he barely squeezed by a non P4P is laughable.

This is my Top 15 list

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Calderon
4. Mosley
5. Wladimir
6. Williams
7. Marquez
8. John
9. Caballero
10. Bradley
11. Cotto
12. Pavlik
13. Ward
14. Dawson
15. Haye
I can't disagree with anything else but what i put in bold
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StrawWeight
1.Roman Gonzalez 24-0-0(20KOs) WBA
2.Oleydong Sithsamerchai 33-0-0(12KOs) WBC
3.Raul Garcia 27-0-1(16KOs) IBF
4.Donie Nietes 26-1-3(14KOs) WBO
5.Nkosinathi Joyi 20-0-0(15KOs)
6.Milan Melindo 20-0-0(5KOs)
7.Juan Palacios 26-3-0(21KOs)
8.Florante Condes 23-5-1(20KOs)
9.Yusataka Kuroki 22-3-1(14KOs)
10.Katsunari Takayama 23-4-0(9KOs)

JR FlyWeight
1.Ivan Calderon 33-0-1(6KOs) WBO, The Ring
2.Rodel Mayol 26-4-1(20KOs) WBC
3.Giovanny Segura 22-1-1(18KOs) WBA
4.Carlos Tamara 21-4-o(15KOs) IBF
5.Brian Viloria 25-3-0(15KOs)
6.Ulises Solis 28-2-2(21KOs)
7.Edgar Sosa 37-6-0(21KOs)
8.Johnriel Casimero 14-0-0(8KOs)
9.Juan Carlos Reveco 21-1-0(11KOs)
10.Cesar Canchilla 28-3-0(22KOs)


FlyWeight
1.Koki Kameda 22-0-0(14KOs) WBC
2.Omar Narvaes 30-0-2(19KOs) WBO
3.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 73-3-1(39KOs) WBC Interim
4.Denkaosan Kaovichit 47-1-1(20KOs)WBA
5.Daisuke Naito 35-3-3(22KOs)
6.Takefumi Sakata 35-5-2(16KOs)
7.Hernan Marquez 27-0-0(20K0s)
8.Moruti Mthalane 22-2-0(15KOs)
9.Cesar Seda Jr. 18-0-0(14KOs)
10.Luis Concepcion 19-1-0(14KOs)

Super FlyWeight
1.Vic Darchinyan 33-2-1(27KOs) WBC,WBA
2.Alexander Munoz 33-3-0(27KOs)
3.Nobuo Nashiro 13-1-1(8KOs) WBA Ordinary
4.Simphiwe Nongqayi 16-0-0(6KOs) IBF
5.Hugo Cazarez 26-5-2(19KOs)
6.Jose Lopez 39-8-2(32KOs)
7.Jorge Arce 52-6-1(40KOs)
8.Nonito Donaire 22-1-0(14KOs)
9. Kohei Kono 22-4-0(8KOs)
10.Drian Francisco 18-0-1(14KOs)



BantamWeight

1.Hozumi Hasegawa 27-2-0(11KOs) WBC
2.Anselmo Moreno 28-1-1(10KOs) WBA
3.Yonny Perez 20-0-0(14KOs) IBF
4.Gerry Penalosa 53-7-2(36KOs)
5.Wladimir Sidorenko 21-2-2(7KOs)
6.Nehomar Cermeno 19-0-0(11KOs) WBA Interim
7.Joseph Agbeko 27-2-0(22KOs)
8.Silence Mabuza 22-3-0(18KOs)
9.Eric Morel 41-2-0(21KOs)
10.Fernando Montiel 39-2-2(29KOs) WBO

Super BantamWeight

1.Celestino Caballero 33-2-0(23KOs) IBF,WBA
2.Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym 40-1-0(28KOs) WBA Ordinary
3.Toshiaki Nishioka 35-4-3(22KOs) WBC
4.Steve Molitor 31-1-0(12KOs)
5.Ricardo Cordova 34-2-2(21KOs)
6.Jeffrey Mathebula 22-2-2(12KOs)
7.Bernard Dunne 28-2-0(15KOs)
8.Wilfredo Vazquez jr. 17-0-1(14KOs)
9.Antonio Escalante 22-2-0(14KOs)
10.Victor Fonseca 17-0-0(9KOs)

FeatherWeight
1.Chris John 43-0-2(22KOs) WBA
2.Cristobal Cruz 39-11-1(23KOs)IBF
3.Juan Manuel Lopez 28-0-0(25KOs) WBO
4.Elio Rojas 21-1-0(13KOs) WBC
5.Mario Santiago 21-1-1(14KOs)
6.Yuriorkis Gamboa 16-0-0(14KOs) WBA Ordinary
7.Steve Luevano 37-2-1(15KOs)
8.Rocky Juarez 28-5-1(20KOs)
9.Jorge Solis 36-2-2(26KOs)
10.Ryol Li Lee 14-1-1(8KOs)


Super FeatherWeight
1.Humberto Soto 50-7-2(32KOs) WBC
2.Robert Guerrero 25-1-1(17KOs) IBF
3.Roman Martinez 23-0-1(14KOs) WBO
4.Mzonke Fana 29-4-0(12KOs)
5.Cassius Baloyi 36-4-1(19KOs)
6.Takashi Uchiyama 14-0-0(11KOs) WBA Ordinary
7.Malcolm Klassen 24-5-2 (15KOs)
8.Juan Carlos Salgado 21-1-1(15KOs)
9.Jorge Linarez 27-1-0(18KOs)
10.Vitaly Tajbert 19-1-0(6KOs)

LightWeight

1.Juan Manuel Marquez 50-5-1(37KOs) WBA,WBO, The Ring
2.Ali Funeka 30-2-3 (25KOs)
3.Edwin Valero 26-0-0(26KOs) WBC
4.Michael Katsidiz 26-2-0(21KOs)
5.Joel Casamayor 37-4-1(22KOs)
6.Paulus Moses 25-0-0(17KOs) WBA Ordinary
7.Rolando Reyes 31-4-2(20KOs)
8.Anthony Peterson 29-0-0(19KOs)
9.David Diaz 35-2-1(17KOs)
10.Antonio DeMarco 23-1-1(17KOs)

JR WelterWeight
1.Timothy Bradly 25-0-0(12KOs) WBO
2.Ricky Hatton 45-2-0(32KOs)
3.Juan Urango 22-2-1(17KOs) IBF
4.Amir Khan 22-1-0(16KOs) WBA Ordinary
5.Devon Alexander 18-0-0(12KOs) WBC
6.Marcos Maidana 27-1-0(26KOs)
7.Paulie Malignaggi 27-3-0(5KOs)
8.Kendall Holt 25-3-0(13KOs)
9.Andreas Kotelnik 31-3-1(13KOs)
10.Cesar Rene Cuenca 36-0-0(1KO)


WelterWeight

1.Shane Mosley 46-5-0(39KOs) WBA
2.Manny Pacquiao 50-3-2(38KOs) WBO
3.Joshua Clottey 35-3-0(20KOs)
4.Miguel Cotto 34-2-0(27KOs)
5.Antonio Margarito 37-6-0(27KOs)
6.Andre Berto 25-0-0(19KOs) WBC
7.Luis Collazo 30-4-0(15KOs)
8.Gave Zaveck 27-1-0(15KOs)IBF
9.Vyacheslav Senchenko 30-0-0(20KOs) WBA Ordinary
10.Zab Judah 38-6-0(26KOs)

Super WelterWeight
1.Sergio Martinez 44-2-2(24KOs) WBC
2.Cory Spinks 37-5-0(11KOs) IBF
3.Sergei Dzindziruk 36-0-0(22KOs) WBO
4.Yury Foreman 28-0-0(8KOs) WBA
5.Kermit Cintron 32-2-1(28KOs)
6.Carlos Quintana 27-2-0(21KOs)
7.Ryan Rhodes 32-4-0(23KOs)
8.Alfredo Angulo 17-1-0(13KOs)
9.Vanes Martirosyan 27-0-0(17KOs)
10.Pawel Wolak 26-1-0(17KOs)

Middleweight
1.Kelly Pavlik 36-1-0(32KOs) WBC,WBO, The Ring
2.Felix Sturm 33-2-1(14KOs)WBA
3.Sebastian Sylvester 29-3-0(14KOs) IBF
4.Paul Williams 38-1-0(27KOs)
5.Khoren Gevor 30-4-0(15KOs)
6.Anthony Mundine 35-3-0(23KOs)
7.David Lopez 37-12-0(23 KOs)
8.Matthew Macklin 26-2-0(18KOs)
9.Daniel Jacobs 18-0-0(15KOs)
10.Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam 22-0-0(15KOs)

Super MiddleWeight
1.Lucian Bute 25-0-0(20KOs) IBF
2.Carl Froch 26-0-0(20KOs) WBC
3.Andre Ward 21-0-0(13KOs) WBA
4.Mikkel Kessler 42-2-0(32KOs)
5.Robert Stieglitz 37-2-0(23KOs) WBO
6.Arthur Abraham 31-0-0(25KOs)
7.Allen Green 29-1-0(20KOs)
8.Librado Andrade 28-3-0(21KOs)
9.Sakio Bika 28-3-2(19KOs)
10.Andre Dirrell 18-1-0(13KOs)

Light HeavyWeight
1.Chad Dawson 29-0-0(17KOs)
2.Bernard Hopkins 50-5-1(32KOs)
3.Jean Pascal 25-1-0(16KOs) WBC
4.Tarvoris Cloud 20-0-0(18KOs) IBF
5.Glen Johnson 49-13-2(33KOs)
6.Antonio Tarver 27-5-0(19KOs)
7.Gabriel Campillo 18-2-0(6KOs)WBA
8.Yusaf Mack 27-2-2(16KOs)
9.Adrian Diaconu 25-2-0(15KOs)
10.Nathan Cleverly 18-0-0(8KOs)

CruiserWeight
1.Steve Cunningham 21-2-0(11KOs)
2.Guillermo Jones 36-3-2(28KOs) WBA
3.Marco Huck 27-1-0(20KOs) WBO
4.Krzysztof Wlodarczyk 41-2-1(31KOs)
5.Zsolt Erdei 31-0-0(17KOs)
6.Firat Arslan 29-4-1(18KOs)
7.Giacobbe Fragomeni 26-2-1(10KOs)
8.Vadim Tokarev 25-1-1(19KOs)
9.BJ Flores 24-0-1(15KOs)
10.Ola Afolabi 14-2-3(6KOs)

HeavyWeight
1.Wladimir klitschko 53-3-0(47KOs) WBO,IBF,The Ring
2.Vitaly Klitschko 39-2-0(37KOs) WBC
3.Alexander Povetkin 17-0-0(12KOs)
4.Eddie Cambers 35-1-0 (18KOs)
5.David Haye 23-1-0(21KOs) WBA
6.Ruslan Changaev 25-1-1(17KOs)
7.Nikolay Valuev 50-2-0(34KOs)
8.Chris Arreola 28-1-0(25KOs)
9.John Ruiz 44-8-1(30KOs)
10.Denny Boystov 26-0-0(20KOs)

Top 10 P4P
1.Manny Pacquaio
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Bernard Hopkins
6.Miguel Cotto
7.Ivan Calderon
8.Timothy Bradley
9.Hozumi Hazegawa
10.Chad Dawson
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Well thats because your american and discriminate against the little guys. Only Narvaez has been a champ for a longer time than Calderon.

Of active boxers only Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Hopkins have faced and beaten more titlists than Calderon, and Hopkins hasnt had a good win since 2008.

2 division titles 1 lineal championship and 18 succesful title fights (19 if Cardenas had made the weight) all packed with an undefeated record and Calderon easily is the #3 boxer of today. Only thing he needs needs to cement his legacy is a unification win.

Caballero is the unified superbantamweight champion and has beaten titlists that have been champions in his divisions and the divisions below him.
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