Victor Conte and a few EXPERTS on the May-Pac testing controversy

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The flap over whether Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. will ever agree to some form of Olympic-style drug testing has gotten more than old by this stage.

Mayweather wants the testing, he says, to ensure a level-playing field. Pacquiao has an aversion to giving blood close to an event, because he believes it weakens him, but is willing to submit unlimited urine samples and several blood samples as part of an agreed upon schedule.

But if the goal is to prevent the use of performance-enhancing substances, the testing likely won’t matter, said a leading expert on the subject.

Victor Conte, the founder and president of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) said athletes perform better off steroids rather than on them and would simply taper in order to be clean by the time of the testing proposed in the Mayweather-Pacquiao talks.

“I still don’t think it’s effective testing,” Conte said. “When they show up a couple of weeks before to test them, they’ve been using, those who choose to do so, anabolic steroids or testosterone, for several months. Then they very consciously do taper off, because they know that they perform better off of the drugs than on the drugs.”

Rhadi Ferguson, a PhD and a strength and conditioning coach who has trained Ultimate Fighting Championship light heavyweight Brandon Vera, represented the U.S. in the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece. He said he was subjected to random testing administered by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency many times, though he was not tested in the Games.

He said it is very difficult to prove usage of Erythropoietin, or EPO, which is one of the drugs that boxer Shane Mosley admitted to using prior to his 2003 fight with Oscar De La Hoya.

Ferguson scoffed at Pacquiao’s argument that giving blood close to the event would in any way weaken him and said he felt Mayweather gained a great tactical advantage even if he ultimately concedes on the testing issue.

“The amount of blood they would take from him would be replenished by the body within one hour,” said Ferguson, a distant relative of MMA star Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson. “It’s a fallacious argument. It’s also genius by the Mayweather camp to bring up the USADA testing even if Pacquiao refuses to do the testing or Mayweather concedes not to do it. Mayweather still has won, because even if Pacquiao does win the fight, there is still a shadow cast on Pacquiao’s cleanliness, if you will.”

Though many “final” deadlines have come and gone, this could still play out for a little more than another week. The actual deadline won’t be until all the marketing plans need to be submitted and the ads for the cable and satellite guides are due. That will be sometime in the first week to 10 days of January.

With that, let’s hope right to the mailbag to get your thoughts on the issue.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/box/news;...yhoo&type=lgns

[Cash Cow]

Mayweather is just a better fighter than Pacquiao which is why he will win

[rao007]

Every fighter is different. Some fighters think every little thing matters when preparing for fights..and while the draining of blood may not physically affect Pacquiao it could mentally psyche him out....by the way, I want random drug tests for this fight..to get it over with so Mayweather and Pacquiao can fight.

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Originally Posted by rao007

Every fighter is different. Some fighters think every little thing matters when preparing for fights..and while the draining of blood may not physically affect Pacquiao it could mentally psyche him out....by the way, I want random drug tests for this fight..to get it over with so Mayweather and Pacquiao can fight.

at this level of the sport, every fighter should be randomly tested....

[Reloaded]

Conte very good map to have , always best policeman is criminal before change .

[p4p-champ]

Great find on the article. Just further adds to what has been specualted on these forums all along.

[jrosales13]

Page 5.

Blood is rarely collected in the major United States sports drug testing programs. At the Olympics, blood
is collected, but not as often as urine. For example, at the 2004 Athens Olympics, the laboratory receive
2926 urine samples and 691 blood samples [5]. Some federations, such as Union Cycliste Internationale
collect blood before races for health tests (not doping-control tests), and athletes with atypical values
deemed medically unsafe (eg, high hematocrit) are not allowed to compete [6].

Testing urine is better than testing blood for most prohibited substances (small molecules, molecular
weight less than ~800 atomic mass units). Urine collection is noninvasive and yields a large volume of
sample, with higher drug concentrations than in blood and with far fewer cells and proteins to complicate
extraction.


http://www.antidopingresearch.org/Be...gHeadlines.pdf

And here is Q&A with Dr. Don catlin who heads anti doping research. This is another blood-urine debate that relates to EPO

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

Dr. Catlin does doping test for a living...

[shogunn]

Originally Posted by jrosales13

Page 5.

Blood is rarely collected in the major United States sports drug testing programs. At the Olympics, blood
is collected, but not as often as urine. For example, at the 2004 Athens Olympics, the laboratory receive
2926 urine samples and 691 blood samples [5]. Some federations, such as Union Cycliste Internationale
collect blood before races for health tests (not doping-control tests), and athletes with atypical values
deemed medically unsafe (eg, high hematocrit) are not allowed to compete [6].

Testing urine is better than testing blood for most prohibited substances (small molecules, molecular
weight less than ~800 atomic mass units). Urine collection is noninvasive and yields a large volume of
sample, with higher drug concentrations than in blood and with far fewer cells and proteins to complicate
extraction.


http://www.antidopingresearch.org/Be...gHeadlines.pdf

And here is Q&A with Dr. Don catlin who heads anti doping research. This is another blood-urine debate that relates to EPO

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

Dr. Catlin does doping test for a living...

good stuff

[Reloaded]

Originally Posted by shogunn

good stuff

Stickem up shogunn joke ha

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Originally Posted by jrosales13

Page 5.

Blood is rarely collected in the major United States sports drug testing programs. At the Olympics, blood
is collected, but not as often as urine. For example, at the 2004 Athens Olympics, the laboratory receive
2926 urine samples and 691 blood samples [5]. Some federations, such as Union Cycliste Internationale
collect blood before races for health tests (not doping-control tests), and athletes with atypical values
deemed medically unsafe (eg, high hematocrit) are not allowed to compete [6].

Testing urine is better than testing blood for most prohibited substances (small molecules, molecular
weight less than ~800 atomic mass units). Urine collection is noninvasive and yields a large volume of
sample, with higher drug concentrations than in blood and with far fewer cells and proteins to complicate
extraction.


http://www.antidopingresearch.org/Be...gHeadlines.pdf

And here is Q&A with Dr. Don catlin who heads anti doping research. This is another blood-urine debate that relates to EPO

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

Dr. Catlin does doping test for a living...

In the Olympics, blood is collected but not as much as urine, but at least they collect it. We are talking about Boxing here. In Boxing, only urine tests are conducted and they are not even random. You have to be an idiot to fail a scheduled urine test....

Urine test is good for MOST prohibited substance, NOT ALL
... Key word "MOST", not "ALL"... show me a urine test for HGH and I will show you a Unicorn. Scientists are currently working on a urine test for HGH and it will take them a couple of years to develop it. By the way, HGH is not the only Perfomance Enhancing Drug out there. There are tons of others, some that can be detected through only urine, only blood, both, bone marrow sample or none of them...