Bruce Lee vs Ali

[Syf]

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

Syf is one of these nunchuck swinging cultists of which I was talking about.It is people like him that spread the myth of Bruce Lee and his fighting techniques.Bruce Lee never fought and has no recorded fights and no sources to back these mythical fights other than a few brainwashed students of his to back up his superman fighting skills.Bruce Lee was a fraud who marketed himself very well and had an entire planet to this day believing he was an actual fighter.Just so you know,Bruce Lee was routinely called out on his actual skills and was challenged to compete in legitimate fights by many accomplished martial artists,who actually did compete and who actually did participate in some form of fighting.


Syf has just proven my point by providing is with a clip from a "MOVIE SCENE" to demonstrate Bruce Lee's skills,lol.

Bruce Lee's physical appearence most likely comes from a few years of steroids abuse also.He was a very lean man but his physique for a man of his build is very unusual and many(including some of his closest friends) believe that this abusing of steroids may have had a hand in his death.Steroids were not known of at that time but it was around this time(especially in the west coast of the united states) that steroids were coming into play.Bruce Lee's behaviour during the last few years of his life also point to steroids abuse,random outburts of rage,mood swinings ect.


Stick to the flashy,ineffective methods of Kung Fu Syf,see how it works in a real life confrontation







Um,yes,an average WW would absolutely school and knock Bruce Lee out in a boxing match.The fact that you would even argue this proves that you are a cultist.

I won't dignify this with much..

You are the type that shits on greatness when you don't have 1/100,000th of that person's ability, mindset, respect, or mark on this world. Good luck with that.

and I like Ali just as much, if not more than Bruce.. I am primarily a boxer you idiot... Roughouse Gym.. 7 Cities VA... But I took martial arts as a younger man and still take/lead some classes, so I know both worlds.

[Stoppage]

The people who think Lee was just an actor and not a streetfighter have no business posting in this thread.

If Lee were fighting Ali, in a street fight, I think he'd go straight to the groin. Any vulnerable spots, really. He had the speed to pull it off. That's why I think Lee would win, in a street fight.

In boxing, I got Ali beating Lee.

[Princemanspopa]

Originally Posted by Syf

I won't dignify this with much..

You are the type that shits on greatness when you don't have 1/100,000th of that person's ability, mindset, respect, or mark on this world. Good luck with that.

and I like Ali just as much, if not more than Bruce.. I am primarily a boxer you idiot... Roughouse Gym.. 7 Cities VA... But I took martial arts as a younger man and still take/lead some classes, so I know both worlds.

No,you're definately one of the nunchuck swinging cultists of which I have already spoken of.There is no greatness to Bruce Lee,he was a fantastic self promoter and had a wonderful marketing team which helped him become the cultural icon that he is today,but he wasn't a fighter and didn't know anything about fighting.When people like you,who have to post clips of his acting to demonstrate his physical capailities,start posting his fights instead and actually giving legitimate sources to these amazing feats that he could do,then perhaps,just perhaps,I will change my mind.for now Bruce Lee was nothing more than an actor.Now go run along to the kung fu gym and do some more flying,triple roundhouse kicks

Originally Posted by Stoppage

The people who think Lee was just an actor and not a streetfighter have no business posting in this thread.

If Lee were fighting Ali, in a street fight, I think he'd go straight to the groin. Any vulnerable spots, really. He had the speed to pull it off. That's why I think Lee would win, in a street fight.

In boxing, I got Ali beating Lee.

Yes,how dare those who question an actors fighting credibility.How dare those have the nerve to question an actors past in fighting competition,where there is no evidence to suggest that they did take place other than a few eye witness acounts,who also happened to be among his brainwashed cultist students.


Yes,it really is debatable that in boxng you have a former heavyweight champion beating up a lightweight novice,who hasn't achieved a damn thing in the sport,who isn't anymore schooled in boxing than the average schmuck,who would get schooled and knocked out by a any poor journeyman around that weight........please stop watching boxing,as it's clear you don't know a damn thing about this sport.

[Stoppage]

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

Yes,how dare those who question an actors fighting credibility.How dare those have the nerve to question an actors past in fighting competition,where there is no evidence to suggest that they did take place other than a few eye witness acounts,who also happened to be among his brainwashed cultist students.

I never said I'm against those who question his fighting ability. Don't make false assumptions. I said that I don't respect the opinion of those who think he was just an actor.

Although there's no actual footage of his fights, does that prove they didn't happen? There's no footage of Ray Robinson vs Henry Armstrong. Does that prove it didn't happen?

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

Yes,it really is debatable that in boxng you have a former heavyweight champion beating up a lightweight novice,who hasn't achieved a damn thing in the sport,who isn't anymore schooled in boxing than the average schmuck,who would get schooled and knocked out by a any poor journeyman around that weight........please stop watching boxing,as it's clear you don't know a damn thing about this sport.

1) If you read my post, you would've noticed that I said, "In boxing, I got Ali beating Lee.".
2) [On the bolded statement] I guess every average schmuck can win an amateur boxing championship by defeating a three time champion?

A street fight is different from boxing, if you didn't know. Lee was trained in many fighting styles. Ali was trained in one. Gee. I wonder which one is better trained for a street fight?

[hugh grant]

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

.There is no greatness to Bruce Lee,he was a fantastic self promoter and had a wonderful marketing team which helped him become the cultural icon that he is today,but he wasn't a fighter and didn't know anything about fighting.When people like you,who have to post clips of his acting to demonstrate his physical capailities,start posting his fights instead and actually giving legitimate sources to these amazing feats that he could do,then perhaps,just perhaps,I will change my mind.for now Bruce Lee was nothing more than an actor.

Yes,how dare those who question an actors fighting credibility.How dare those have the nerve to question an actors past in fighting competition,where there is no evidence to suggest that they did take place other than a few eye witness acounts,who also happened to be among his brainwashed cultist students.


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There have been many anecdotes of martial artists saying how bruce lee beat them without breaking a sweat. With that you dont need video evidence because i doubt proud martial artists just enjoy saying bruce beat them and toyed with them easily, and take pleasure in admitting they were no match for bruce like they do.

People have been fighting since the dawn of mankind. Are you assuming they didnt just because there is no video footage or proof of caveman fighting.?

Theres more impressive anecdotal evidence of people saying how bruce beat them, than there is for any other fighter in history.

[Princemanspopa]

Originally Posted by Stoppage

I never said I'm against those who question his fighting ability. Don't make false assumptions. I said that I don't respect the opinion of those who think he was just an actor.

Although there's no actual footage of his fights, does that prove they didn't happen? There's no footage of Ray Robinson vs Henry Armstrong. Does that prove it didn't happen?

Um,no.A packed house,including several rows of journalists were there to view Amstrong fight Robinson fight first hand.Bruce Lee's fights have no source other than a few of his brainwashed students.George Clooney could say that had so many fights and could pay alot of people to say that they were there to view them,but does that actually mean that they happened?

Bruce Lee's "supposed fights were unrecorded and held in private,why the hell shouldn't they be questioned?

Originally Posted by Stoppage

1) If you read my post, you would've noticed that I said, "In boxing, I got Ali beating Lee.".
2) [On the bolded statement] I guess every average schmuck can win an amateur boxing championship by defeating a three time champion?

A street fight is different from boxing, if you didn't know. Lee was trained in many fighting styles. Ali was trained in one. Gee. I wonder which one is better trained for a street fight?

You got Ali beating Lee as if this were your own opinion and that you could understand if somebody thought that Bruce Lee could actually hold his own over a man who weighed 80 pounds less and had nowhere near the experience that this larger man held.Don't imply such things in future,idiot.Stick to MMGAY,son.

Bruce Lee wasn't skilled in any effective form of combat,the other is.I could go train in all the flashy,ineffective arts that I wanted to and would still get knocked out by a journeyman boxer

Originally Posted by hugh grant

There have been many anecdotes of martial artists saying how bruce lee beat them without breaking a sweat. With that you dont need video evidence because i doubt proud martial artists just enjoy saying bruce beat them and toyed with them easily, and take pleasure in admitting they were no match for bruce like they do.

People have been fighting since the dawn of mankind. Are you assuming they didnt just because there is no video footage or proof of caveman fighting.?

Theres more impressive anecdotal evidence of people saying how bruce beat them, than there is for any other fighter in history.

Many of whom happened to also be close associates of Bruce Lee,many of whom also no doubt take great joy in further spreading the myth of Bruce Lee.

These cavemen were not myths who held a status as great fighters.Don't use such silly logic next time,there's a good lad.

[Stoppage]

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

Um,no.A packed house,including several rows of journalists were there to view Amstrong fight Robinson fight first hand.Bruce Lee's fights have no source other than a few of his brainwashed students.George Clooney could say that had so many fights and could pay alot of people to say that they were there to view them,but does that actually mean that they happened?

Bruce Lee's "supposed fights were unrecorded and held in private,why the hell shouldn't they be questioned?

What makes you think only his students saw him in fights? Do you think these moronic statements help you prove a point?

He was in a number of fights with fighters who studied under different styles. Most of his fights were refereed and took place in public. I remember reading about a fight he had with a black belt in a gymnasium in Seattle. Jesse Glover was the referee. Bruce knocked out the black belt in about 10 seconds.

But what's the point of telling you that? You need video footage to prove everything.

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

You got Ali beating Lee as if this were your own opinion and that you could understand if somebody thought that Bruce Lee could actually hold his own over a man who weighed 80 pounds less and had nowhere near the experience that this larger man held.Don't imply such things in future,idiot.Stick to MMGAY,son.

Not really. I just see Ali beating Lee in a boxing match. Pretty simple, really. I wasn't implying anything else. Perhaps your retardation has kicked in full gear today.

And nice job disrespecting MMA. It's funny, because I see you posting in that section of the forum, a lot.

[Syf]

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

No,you're definately one of the nunchuck swinging cultists of which I have already spoken of.There is no greatness to Bruce Lee,he was a fantastic self promoter and had a wonderful marketing team which helped him become the cultural icon that he is today,but he wasn't a fighter and didn't know anything about fighting.When people like you,who have to post clips of his acting to demonstrate his physical capailities,start posting his fights instead and actually giving legitimate sources to these amazing feats that he could do,then perhaps,just perhaps,I will change my mind.for now Bruce Lee was nothing more than an actor.Now go run along to the kung fu gym and do some more flying,triple roundhouse kicks

I can see why you are red, and I can tell you are trying to offend me...but that wasn't good enough son. As I said.. I box as well. I use the conflict and contact of boxing's reality as a testing ground for some concepts from gung fu, which DOES (especially in America) have some tendencies to be a bit unrealistic, as far as most casual practitioners are concerned. But both systems have great concepts..that if you make an effort bringing as one.. Will help your fight game overall. At least it has for me.

Look, I posted that clip for that brief three seconds of his footwork I was pointing out, which WASN'T fake... and everything I said before and after put it in context. You, however, predictably took that and ran with it. What a surprise.

Art often imitates real life. And vice versa. You cannot do what he did..with the technique and agility he did it with, and be a fraud. It is simply impossible. They weren't using CGI, or wire work.. or any of that stuff they use in new kung fu movies. Anyone that understands the dynamic of fighting, and.. the dynamics of the human body cannot say what you are now saying.

There was no way for him to make big money back then just fighting. There was no UFC, and Bruce wasn't just one that used his fists only, so that leaves out boxing. So he turned to film as his outlet. But he was a true martial artist in the complete sense of the term.

But...I see what this is here. You not only have no respect for Bruce Lee.. You have no respect for any of the martial arts, period. Even though Chinese and other orientals used these systems for thousands of years in actual combat before the advent of gunpowder. Someone with your closed mentality cannot be reasoned with and is not even capable of decent conversation, so..I think I'll just leave it at that, because I gave you far more than you're worth.

[hugh grant]

Originally Posted by Princemanspopa

Many of whom happened to also be close associates of Bruce Lee,many of whom also no doubt take great joy in further spreading the myth of Bruce Lee.

These cavemen were not myths who held a status as great fighters.Don't use such silly logic next time,there's a good lad.

Stop being paranoid dear chap. What makes you think proud martial artists take joy in saying an actor toyed with them like no other pro fighter had ever done before.
You just sound paranoid and you have no credibility whatsoever. They were spreading the word of how great bruce was, before he was even known as an actor.

[Tec 9]

An Actor vs. a pro boxer

I wonder who will win?