Who had the hardest punch ever?

[czars_salad]

has anyone mentioned roberto duran? he was both strong and tough, and i'm talking pound-for-pound

[fight fan]

Originally Posted by lmnorw

dont believe what you read in books kid..no human is that strong they can knock out a bull..just look at baers record 71 wins 53 kos..compared to foremans 45 wins 42 kos in his prime and tell me who hit harder...foreman fought in the golden age of heavyweights..foreman hit harder than baer plane and simple and this is for the people who might come and post marciano..just take this in mind archie moore fought 200 plus fights he fought marciano ali patterson ect ect ect ..and guess who he said hit his the hardest.thats right yvon durelle.. and since he was hit by both durelles and marcianos best punches and said durelle hit harder than he must of right..he was hit by the punches no you or I.and check out durelles record 90 wins 51 ko's so the myth about marciano's power is pretty much out the window..and for lennox lewis..he couldnt drop or really hurt a washed up holyfield..lewis best ko's came againt people with glass chins.people like micheal grant..franz botha..frank bruno..can you name on person with a decent chin that he even knocked down?it tooked him 8 or 9 rounds to ko' tyson and buster douglas ko'd a 24 or so year old in the 10 .lennox lewis is just a good puncher..oohhh and the other guy who said shavers because of what he thought ali said..ali said foreman had him out on his feet about 3 or 4 times from glancing blows.foreman never hit him solid and shavers did but yet he still says foreman hit harder in his book..that says alot about foremans power doesnt it?and i cant believe i am about to say this but me and kid achillies agree with something..foreman never punched proprely..all arm punches and yet he has one of the highest ko percentages of any heavyweight champion in history..imagine if he ever learned to get his body in his punches..he could of literally killed people with his punches

Well first of all, I said that Max was worth mentioning I didn't say straight out that he hit harder than Foreman. The bull story is probably just a story, but remember Max fought many more fights so his KO ratio doesn't automatically say anything about his standing among the best punchers. Max was a notorious lady's man and playboy who very rarely took his training seriously. His KO ratio and record would have improved if he had trained properly. Max as well as any of the old timers faced a different breed of fighter in his day. Again I am not saying that Max does hit harder than Foreman, but he cannot be dismissed as you seem to be doing to him!

Also just because Archie Morre claims that Durelle hit him harder than Marciano doesn't mean that Marciano didn't in fact hit harder than Durelle. Durelle may just have hit Moore hard on that evening! Ray Robinson claims that Artie Levine hit him that hardest that he has ever been hit! Does that mean that Levine was the hardest hitter out of all of Robinsons opponents automatically? Or is that Robinson's opinion based on his particular fights?

[LiverShot]

I vote for Corey Stinks or Byrd. Maybe Ruiz. They are the mightest KO merchants the sport has ever seen.

[lmnorw]

i am not saying baer wasnt a good puncher..but his not training hard stuff is pretty pointless.because foreman didnt train hard either.based on what i have read and heard people say..dick saddler and moore didnt make foreman train because they assumed he could knock out anybody he foughts.they never even taught foreman to punch properly but yet in his prime he still had 45 wins 2 loses and 42 knock outs..and marciano hit moore with tons of punches and yet he said durelles punches were harder..again he faced both men so i think he would know more about who hit harder than you or I..and robinson is different.he was hard to hit.it could of been the guy you named got luck and hit him with a good punch and some of the harder pucnhes he faced didnt hit him..in his prime robinsons record was something like 130 wins and 3 loses so i am sure not many people hit him with their best stuff..but both durelle and maricano hit moore..and moore said he hit harder..so evidently he did..which says alot about how hard marciano hit..it took him 13 rounds to ko walcott a man who was ko'd 8 times before he lost to rocky..it took him 8 or 9 rounds to ko a washed up louis when max schemling or however you spell his name ko'd a prime louis so based on that max probably hit just as hard as rocky ..rocky has a better chin and more stamina than max so thats why he had the better record.so like i said rocky was a good puncher for a guy who didnt fight the top black fighters who were in their primes when he boxed.their is no way he could punch as hard as a 220 pound man..guys like mount whitaker would of murdered marciano..just to much size and power for him..so many other guys would of ko'd him which is my point..based on logic the hardest punching heavyweight was foreman.pound for pound it could be alot of people..maybe hearns..maybe juilan jackson..

[czars_salad]

Originally Posted by LiverShot

I vote for Corey Stinks or Byrd. Maybe Ruiz. They are the mightest KO merchants the sport has ever seen.

Cory Stinks!!! LOL

[fight fan]

Originally Posted by lmnorw

i am not saying baer wasnt a good puncher..but his not training hard stuff is pretty pointless.because foreman didnt train hard either.based on what i have read and heard people say..dick saddler and moore didnt make foreman train because they assumed he could knock out anybody he foughts.they never even taught foreman to punch properly but yet in his prime he still had 45 wins 2 loses and 42 knock outs..and marciano hit moore with tons of punches and yet he said durelles punches were harder..again he faced both men so i think he would know more about who hit harder than you or I..and robinson is different.he was hard to hit.it could of been the guy you named got luck and hit him with a good punch and some of the harder pucnhes he faced didnt hit him..in his prime robinsons record was something like 130 wins and 3 loses so i am sure not many people hit him with their best stuff..but both durelle and maricano hit moore..and moore said he hit harder..so evidently he did..which says alot about how hard marciano hit..it took him 13 rounds to ko walcott a man who was ko'd 8 times before he lost to rocky..it took him 8 or 9 rounds to ko a washed up louis when max schemling or however you spell his name ko'd a prime louis so based on that max probably hit just as hard as rocky ..rocky has a better chin and more stamina than max so thats why he had the better record.so like i said rocky was a good puncher for a guy who didnt fight the top black fighters who were in their primes when he boxed.their is no way he could punch as hard as a 220 pound man..guys like mount whitaker would of murdered marciano..just to much size and power for him..so many other guys would of ko'd him which is my point..based on logic the hardest punching heavyweight was foreman.pound for pound it could be alot of people..maybe hearns..maybe juilan jackson..

The Max Baer and Durelle vs Marciano power is a discussion we are having and we both are entitled to our valid opinions. You make good points, I however am not convinced on either situation! Moore KOed Durelle in their meetings so Moore wasn't hurt enough that he couldn't continue as was the case with Rocky! Moore may have said it but it still doesn't mean that it was his true feelings! Fighters say things sometimes and add a little personal feelings in to add drama to their agenda! He may honestly feel this way, but it really is no gauge in figuring who hit harder! Durelle had 51 KO's in 90 wins compared to Marciano's 43 KO's in 49 wins. Isn't that the just about the same difference between Max Baer and George Foreman? And that is one of the points you make in claiming Baer wasn't in Foreman's league!

As far as your Mount Whitaker, Hearns and Julian Jackson comments, you are definitely losing your mind!!!! Mount Whitaker would be too much for Marciano? Hearns and Juilan Jackson could probably KO Marciano? Mount Whitaker is a big strong heavyweight, but, he is not a great fighter! Marciano has faced big and small guys during his career! He himself was smallish for a heavyweight with a short reach, so most of his opposition was bigger than him! He was in fantastic condition and wore his opponents down with body arm and shoulder punishment if he couldn't reach or catch his opponent. You seem to be hooked on the race issue that Marciano never faced a good black fighter????? I have no idea what the hell you are talking about! Marciano fought whoever was available during his reign as champion white and/or black! Most heavyweight champs at the time including Liston some years later were no more than 195-210!! That is the way it was! Hearns who definitely hit hard did not take all his power with him when he moved up to middleweight and light heavyweight! He couldn't even stop Hagler who he nailed big time in their bout. To top it off, Hearns was known to not have the most durable chin for a fighter of his magnitude! But he could hurt Marciano???? Julian Jackson, the same exact thing goes for him! It is not even worth discussing!

[lmnorw]

lol you jive turkey as i said if you believe marciano could hurt a 230 pound heavyweight then jackson could hurt maricano thats my point.if you can pull shit out of your ass then so can i.julian jackson weighed 160 pounds marciano weighed 185 thats only 25 pounds and both you and I know just because jackson hit hard for a middleweight does not mean he could hurt a 185 pound man like rocky its just logical right?so why would you then say well because its marciano he could fight guys 50 pounds heavier and ko them or hurt them?and i say rocky never fought a black heavyweight who was in his prime because he didnt..i know for a fact corly wallace wanted to fight him.he ko'd marciano in the amateurs..and again kid you should know you cant teach a chin...if you could be hurt once you can be hurt again..in any case marcianos people said no because the fight would be to much of a risk..and i am sure there were tons of black fighters back then who could of beat marciano but they didnt get a shot because of their skin color you and i know this..and its not that white fights ducked black fighters..alot of good white fighters didnt get shots at the title ..infact the black fighters who won titles ducked black opponents.robinson never fought burley..besides tommy bell i cant even name another black fighter robinson fought..the same with joe louis.he only fought 2 black fighters that i can name..and unlike alot of black boxing fans who will tell you the only reason louis lost to marciano was because he was old.i wont..marciano would of ko'd him any time they fought.joe had a weak chin and his punching power was overrated.not once in his fight with rocky did he hurt him..its not like he couldnt hit him because he did but he could hurt him at all.yet a old smaller moore was able to drop marciano with one punched.and for the durelle moore thing ..just because durelle hits harder than marciano doesnt mean he had a better chin or stamina..he knocked down moore 3 times in the first round and rocky took rounds and rounds before he could drop moore for the first time.and you may say moore was just saying that durelle hit harder just to have something to say?its not like they asked him after the fight.it was in a 1997 interview..he had nothing to gain by saying durelle hit harder..and you cant compare what i said about foreman and max baer to rocky and durelle..you know the mob controlled boxing at that time.so you dont know how many of the italian fighters marciano fought lost on purpose or were payed off..i am not saying any of them did but you dont know..but you do know once the mob lost their foot hold on boxing no italian heavyweights had a belt since then..and any case there are weight classes in boxing for a reason and that is because size is important.being brave doesnt over come size mount whitaker is 6'8 270 i dont remember rocky fighting any man that size so saying something stupid like he would wear him down is just being dumb..he would blast marciano out in round one and in no way is whitaker great.the list goes on and on ..i could name people all day who would ko marciano in round one..one last thing you know what could over come size?skill speed..a guy like a prime roy jones could beat a guy like ruiz because he was alot faster and skilled..marciano couldnt box..he had no jab he had poor foot spee and hand speed..so he wouldnt outbox any of the true greats.he came right to his opponent and againt bigger punchers he would lose..ohh wait lol i didnt say jackson or hearns could knocked out marciano anyway ..i just read my last post i said they are 2 of the hardest pound for pound punchers in my opinion you that is the question the post is asking..they didnt ask us to go on and on about marciano

[BlockBuster]

Alot of you guys are forgetting the most obvious one, Rocky Marciano. Nobody hit harder than him. Foreman was a great slugger but it took him more than 1 knockdown to knock a guy out. Marciano on the other hand knocked many other fighters out with only one try. The power is actually a matter of technique and a scientific thing (I'm not a scientist but I read it somewhere).When Marciano was destroying all challengers with his blockbuster assault, the U.S. Testing Co. was asked to measure the power of Rocky's wallop. Its findings:
"Marciano's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than an armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 1000 pounds one foot off the ground." Boxing Illustrated December 1963. "As your arm moves forward the time from beginning to end increases as you increase the distance of the thrown punch. Since velocity = feet per sec, that means the longer the range the less velocity." He fought so close and his arms were so short that he had more velocity with his punches. Rocky punched with his back foot planted so he used that to push off the mat and put all 185 pounds into his punches.

[dangerousity]

Ive never seen a boxer who barely uses boxing skills but just wild haymakers that literally sends fighters off their feet, apart from Foreman. Id have to go with Foreman. He was Olympic champ after 2years of training, theres natural power for you.

[catskills23]

Tyson hits harder than foreman . Foreman couldnt knock down alex stewart in 12 rounds and tyson knocked stewart down in the first round with a glancing blow .