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Old 07-07-2009, 12:46 PM
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Exactly what I'm saying bro. Smaller men taking risks and defeating larger men = greatness. Even if Pacquiao lost to Cotto (which I don't see happening) the fact that he's stepping in with arguably the #1 WW takes balls and he should be praised for his courage and desire to be even greater than he already is.
I completely agree with that, Pacquiao is a real warrior and a real brave heart.With that said, Cotto is the biggest risk Pacquiao has ever taken. Not just because of his size but his size COMBINED with skills. Size alone is nothing, B-Hop would TKO Tye Fields with ease.


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: was a weight drained past prime fighter.

Hatton: Good win but i saw that coming, the only thing Hatton could use against Pacquiao was clinching and mauling. The ref didn't let this become a dirty fight. So the better boxer/fighter won.
Hatton is not half of the puncher Cotto is and is not as skilled, not even close.

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Come on you're talking about David ****in Diaz.
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Old 07-07-2009, 12:54 PM
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I completely agree with that, Pacquiao is a real warrior and a real brave heart.With that said, Cotto is the biggest risk Pacquiao has ever taken. Not just because of his size but his size COMBINED with skills. Size alone is nothing, B-Hop would TKO Tye Fields with ease.


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: was a weight drained past prime fighter.

Hatton: Good win but i saw that coming, the only thing Hatton could use against Pacquiao was clinching and mauling. The ref didn't let this become a dirty fight. So the better boxer/fighter won.
Hatton is not half of the puncher Cotto is and is not as skilled, not even close.

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Come on you're talking about David ****in Diaz.
Ref didnt let the Hatton fight become dirty but he wasnt so quick to break em up either. He let them work their way out of clinches for the most part. And even when Hatton did clinch he wasnt exactly mauling or backin up Pac with it.


And I'd still pick David Diaz over Juan Diaz to this day if that fight ever happens.

My only beef is that this 145 Cotto fight is retarded. May as well make it 147. Cotto makes 145 comfortably and comes in just as big as he wold 147 on fightnight anyway
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:33 PM
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Nasim is the man. He is one heck of a trainer. Very cunning. SSM will definitely beat pac imo expecially with richardson in his corner
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:36 PM
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Has anyone figured out what the hell "swim without getting wet" means? I think it means something along the lines of hit and not get hit.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:40 PM
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nazim is wrong about pac being a big dude. he made 138 lbs easily for hatton. cotto hasn't weighed 138 lbs since he was in high school.

its obvious that mosley is too big for pac.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:41 PM
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`When Brother Naazim Richardson calls your phone to chat, you know you're about to get the good word from him. Brother Naazim, who trains Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley, Steve Cunningham and a number of young up-and-coming fighters, contacted FightHype.com to discuss a hypothetical showdown between his fighter, Mosley, and pound-for-pound champion Manny Pacquiao. Although Mosley recently instructed his promoter to stop attempts at making a fight with Pacquiao, Brother Naazim made it clear that he's still up for the challenge and would look forward to coming up with a gameplan to defeat the Filipino superstar. "I hope the fight does happen man. I would like the chance to figure out the Pacquiao puzzle with Mosley," he stated.

While Richardson is eager for the opportunity to match wits against Freddie Roach, he was quick to point out that he thought Mosley might be trying to get the fight in the wrong manner. "You never want to look like you're begging for a fight because eventually, you will talk yourself out of it," he admitted. "If a fighter sees you constantly saying, 'I'll fight him in his backyard, I'll do this and I'll do that,' then eventually, they will be like, 'Hold up! What? He's a little too confident that he could beat me!'"

Richardson had nothing but praise for Pacquiao, stating, "All of these guys underestimate Pacquiao thinking he's the small man. When I met Pacquiao, I wasn't saying how does this guy make welterweight? I was saying how in the hell was he making 130 and 135? Pacquiao is a big dude. Cotto keeps saying he's the bigger man, but that's going to be his downfall because if they make him suck down to 142-43, then his strength becomes his weakness because he is the bigger man and that is a lot of weight for him to cut. I always thought Cotto was draining down too much to make junior welterweight and that was the reason he used to get dropped so much."

That being said, Richardson would jump at the chance to train Mosley for a Pacquiao fight. He's not holding his breathe on it ever happening, however, as he actually thinks another fight other than the proposed Cotto bout will inevitably stand in the way. "Mayweather isn't going to let Pacquiao fight Shane because he wants to be the one to give Pacquiao that loss," Richardson revealed. "Back when Don King was saying he was going to put Bernard in against Trinidad, Roy Jones told him not to do that because he knew Bernard would destroy Trinidad and he wanted to be the first to beat Tito. King thought Tito would beat Bernard and the rest is history. Floyd is in the same position Roy was in and Shane is in the position Bernard was in."

Richardson continued, "See Mayweather is smart. He picks his fights, but he's not picking chumps like Roy Jones used to do. He's not fighting Otis Grant, but he picks fights where his opponent's style fits his style perfectly and I can't blame him for that. It's a smart move!"

Joking, Brother Naazim closed out the conversation referring to a comment made during a press conference. "Richard Schaefer or someone said at a press conference, 'Watch out Naazim! Look how Bob Arum's looking at you. He remembers what Bernard did to Pavlik and what Mosley did to Margarito, so watch your back!' He may never let one of his guys back in there with one of my guys."

Indeed, it might be a long time before we get a chance to see a bout between Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao, however, if it ever did happen, we would get a chance to see perhaps the two best strategists in the sport pitting their fighters and their gameplans against each other. Although Floyd Mayweather Sr., thanks to Ricky Hatton's poor performance, never stood a chance in his bid* for the "No. 1 Pound for Pound Best Trainer in the World" trophy, Brother Naazim just might give Freddie Roach a run for the money if Mosley and Pacquiao ever faced off.`
Good read!
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:49 PM
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Percy Crawford | July 07, 2009

`When Brother Naazim Richardson calls your phone to chat, you know you're about to get the good word from him. Brother Naazim, who trains Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley, Steve Cunningham and a number of young up-and-coming fighters, contacted FightHype.com to discuss a hypothetical showdown between his fighter, Mosley, and pound-for-pound champion Manny Pacquiao. Although Mosley recently instructed his promoter to stop attempts at making a fight with Pacquiao, Brother Naazim made it clear that he's still up for the challenge and would look forward to coming up with a gameplan to defeat the Filipino superstar. "I hope the fight does happen man. I would like the chance to figure out the Pacquiao puzzle with Mosley," he stated.

While Richardson is eager for the opportunity to match wits against Freddie Roach, he was quick to point out that he thought Mosley might be trying to get the fight in the wrong manner. "You never want to look like you're begging for a fight because eventually, you will talk yourself out of it," he admitted. "If a fighter sees you constantly saying, 'I'll fight him in his backyard, I'll do this and I'll do that,' then eventually, they will be like, 'Hold up! What? He's a little too confident that he could beat me!'"

Richardson had nothing but praise for Pacquiao, stating, "All of these guys underestimate Pacquiao thinking he's the small man. When I met Pacquiao, I wasn't saying how does this guy make welterweight? I was saying how in the hell was he making 130 and 135? Pacquiao is a big dude. Cotto keeps saying he's the bigger man, but that's going to be his downfall because if they make him suck down to 142-43, then his strength becomes his weakness because he is the bigger man and that is a lot of weight for him to cut. I always thought Cotto was draining down too much to make junior welterweight and that was the reason he used to get dropped so much."

That being said, Richardson would jump at the chance to train Mosley for a Pacquiao fight. He's not holding his breathe on it ever happening, however, as he actually thinks another fight other than the proposed Cotto bout will inevitably stand in the way. "Mayweather isn't going to let Pacquiao fight Shane because he wants to be the one to give Pacquiao that loss," Richardson revealed. "Back when Don King was saying he was going to put Bernard in against Trinidad, Roy Jones told him not to do that because he knew Bernard would destroy Trinidad and he wanted to be the first to beat Tito. King thought Tito would beat Bernard and the rest is history. Floyd is in the same position Roy was in and Shane is in the position Bernard was in."

Richardson continued, "See Mayweather is smart. He picks his fights, but he's not picking chumps like Roy Jones used to do. He's not fighting Otis Grant, but he picks fights where his opponent's style fits his style perfectly and I can't blame him for that. It's a smart move!"

Joking, Brother Naazim closed out the conversation referring to a comment made during a press conference. "Richard Schaefer or someone said at a press conference, 'Watch out Naazim! Look how Bob Arum's looking at you. He remembers what Bernard did to Pavlik and what Mosley did to Margarito, so watch your back!' He may never let one of his guys back in there with one of my guys."

Indeed, it might be a long time before we get a chance to see a bout between Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao, however, if it ever did happen, we would get a chance to see perhaps the two best strategists in the sport pitting their fighters and their gameplans against each other. Although Floyd Mayweather Sr., thanks to Ricky Hatton's poor performance, never stood a chance in his bid* for the "No. 1 Pound for Pound Best Trainer in the World" trophy, Brother Naazim just might give Freddie Roach a run for the money if Mosley and Pacquiao ever faced off.`
The only one been underestimated is Cotto.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:00 PM
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very true!!.............
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Has anyone figured out what the hell "swim without getting wet" means? I think it means something along the lines of hit and not get hit.
i think it means punch moving like when you swim without getting your head wet...you know when you swim with your head outside and turning it while you swing your arms to one side and the other...in fact shane was punching margo with overhand hooks turning all his body into punches, and going over his guard. I think thats that
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:05 PM
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Naz made a great point, cotto thinking he's the bigger man will be his downfall. That's exactly what happened with Hatton (I'm massive at 140!) and even Oscar. People are putting TOO MUCH into size and underestimate Pac's power. Cotto needs to be careful and stop looking at this fight like he's the bigger man, cotto needs to look at it like he's fighting the best fighter in the world.
very true!!!......(i wanted to quote you in my previous post so there)
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