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Old 07-22-2013, 09:28 AM
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Default WBO rules state be up at 8

There's a lot of crap being talked about Scott, the ref, and the fight being fixed. It's just that; crap.

The WBO rules are quite clear. Be up at 8. This was a WBO sanctioned fight.

You can read them online, Section 25:
wboboxing dot com slash regulations
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Malik Scott thought getting up before 10 beat the count. He was ignorant of the rules.

He definitely did not throw the fight. He was just hurt and didn't know that a 10 count covers the full time to recover, but that you have to be on your feet by 8. In fairness to Malik Scott, the rules vary between the different sanctioning bodies. (For example, WBC rules don't state you have to be up by 8.)

There was room for common sense to be applied here; by the book however the referee made the right call.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:38 AM
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Where does it say you have to be up at 8? The highlighted part sure doesn't.

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(a) When a contestant is down, the Referee shall order the opponent to retire to the farthest neutral corner and shall immediately begin the count on the fallen contestant. The Referee shall audibly announce the count while he moves his arm downward indicating the end of each second of the count. (b) If the opponent refuses to remain in the neutral corner farthest from the fallen boxer, the Referee shall stop the count until the boxer returns to the corner and shall then resume the count at the point in which it was interrupted. The fallen fighter shall take the compolsory eight (8) count. (c) If, when reaching the count of eight (8), the fighter is up, the Referee, if he deems it necessary, may examine said contestant taking all the time needed to evaluate whether the contestant is fit to continue. If the Referee determines that the fighter is fit to continue, the Referee shall promptly order the contest to continue. (d) If the contestant taking the count is still down when the Referee calls the count of ten (10), the Referee shall wave both arms indicating that the contestant has been knocked out. (e) A fighter may not be saved by the bell in any round. If a contestant is down when a round’s three-minute duration has expired, the timekeeper shall not ring the bell, and the Referee shall continue the count until the contestant rises or is counted out. If the Referee determines that the contestant is on his feet and fit to continue the fight before he reaches the ten count, he shall indicate to the timekeeper to ring the bell and the round will thereupon terminate. The one-minute rest period will then commence at the termination of the round as determined by the Referee. Only the Referee may make the determination when the round ends when there is a knockdown within 10 seconds of the end of the round. If a timekeeper inadvertently rings the bell before the Referee determines that the knocked down fighter is fit to continue, the Referee will continue his count and resolve the knockdown and determine the end of the round without regard to the inadvertent bell. If the Referee determines that the knocked down fighter is fit to continue before the ten count, he will thereupon terminate the round and will instruct the timekeeper to commence the one-minute rest period from the point of that determination. (f)A contestant shall be considered down when any part of his body, other than his feet, is on the floor, or if he is hanging helplessly over the ropes, and only is held up by the ropes, as the resolt of a legal blow. Only the Referee may determine whether there has been a knockdown.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:39 AM
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:41 AM
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It would have been a unified Rule contest anyway, with BBBC rules too. If it was for the "World Championship" WBO belt, the WBO would have the majority say
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:45 AM
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Where does it say you have to be up at 8? The highlighted part sure doesn't.
Yes but the implication in those rules reads that if the fighter isnt up by 8, or the 8-count, then the referee has every right to stop the fight out of suspicion of the boxers state. It reads that the boxer should be up by 8, and anything after is then up to the referees discretion. It's one of the many technicalities you'll find in Governing body rules, they deliberately keep these grey areas to void liability
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:48 AM
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Where does it say you have to be up at 8? The highlighted part sure doesn't.
The ref didn't do (d) either. He counted to 9 and waved the fight off.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:49 AM
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the fight wasn't fixed. scott wasn't professional.

could he have continued at 10? absolutely. did he do what he needed to do to beat the count outright and prove to the ref that he was ready to fight? nope.

KO.
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:05 AM
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the fight wasn't fixed. scott wasn't professional.

could he have continued at 10? absolutely. did he do what he needed to do to beat the count outright and prove to the ref that he was ready to fight? nope.

KO.
I disagree, most refs stop the count when the fighter gets back up. It takes a good couple of seconds to look at the eyes, hold the gloves, ask "are you ready" or "are you ok", then ask the fighter to walk to him. If refs did what you suggested then many fighters should have been counted out after taking the mandatory 8 count because it took more than 10 seconds to assess the fighter.
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:06 AM
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For me he got up before the count and was clearly able to continue, yes he should have gotten up earlier but that isn't a fair reason to stop the fight.

The Tiger was hurt more vs Price but they let him continue for example, bizarre ending anyway you look at it.
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:06 AM
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Where does it say you have to be up at 8? The highlighted part sure doesn't.
Er... the part you highlighted is clear. If BY THE COUNT OF 8...

C'mon.
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