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Old 01-27-2013, 04:23 PM
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guys....stop this none sense. facts are facts, Matthysse was indeed 163.

it wasn't because of clothes or typos or anything like that. he was just bigger this time around.

and you will never be able to determine matthysse's weight by looking at him. some people have bodies that look around the same even when their 20 pounds heavier.

the only facts that we know is that he was indeed 163 for this fight. which is crazy.......the good news is he could EASILY (without any effort) move up to 147 and fight madiana.
Weight is only half the story. Sure, he can make the cut and bring the size with him effectively, but thats 7lbs of extra power missing from his frame. Maidana campaigning there is adjusting and putting on the proper weight now - that's why weight classes are just that.. weight class.

Josesito Lopez got as high as 185lbs between fights. He was heavier than Canelo at the 30 day weigh in AND the night of the fight, he's a 140lbs fighter fighting at 154 that night.

Just because he holds the weight doesn't mean he can comfortably move up. He's still not as physically 'strong' as the 147lbs fighters yet, he should get a tune up there first, a camp or 2 at the weight would make a world of difference. Remember how pudgy maidana looked against Alexander his first fight at 147? Now he's solid.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:25 PM
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I just watched the fight. How can somebody say Matthysse was 163 while saying Dallas Jr was 150ish? This needs to be further investigated. These 2 looked virtually the same size with Dallas Jr probably having an inch on Matthysse.


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i thought dallas looked like a skinny pole in there with lucas lol

even if you want to do the "looks test" dallas body looked like a pole. look at his legs...........

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I can't conceive how people believe Matthysse weighed 163. He's never been higher then low 150's before, he's 5'6, and he doesn't look anywhere near 163.

I don't give a **** what some "UNOFFICIAL" scale says. I have watched enough boxing to know Matthysse was no where near 163.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:31 PM
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I can't conceive how people believe Matthysse weighed 163. He's never been higher then low 150's before, he's 5'6, and he doesn't look anywhere near 163.

I don't give a **** what some "UNOFFICIAL" scale says. I have watched enough boxing to know Matthysse was no where near 163.
Showtime confirmed it even after the telecast. And he isn't 5'6", people need to stop looking at falsified heights. Bradley is 5'6".



Now look at Alexander and Matthysse.



For arguments sake, zab judah is supposed to be 5'7".



Fighters heights are almost ALWAYS wrong. Matthysse isn't that short, he just isn't.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:34 PM
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Weight is only half the story. Sure, he can make the cut and bring the size with him effectively, but thats 7lbs of extra power missing from his frame. Maidana campaigning there is adjusting and putting on the proper weight now - that's why weight classes are just that.. weight class.

Josesito Lopez got as high as 185lbs between fights. He was heavier than Canelo at the 30 day weigh in AND the night of the fight, he's a 140lbs fighter fighting at 154 that night.

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Im not sure how showing Lopez 10 pounds heavier then usual but looking much chubbier and bigger then usual proves about Lucas who looks the same as always yet "gained" 13-15 pounds more then usual
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Showtime confirmed it even after the telecast. And he isn't 5'6", people need to stop looking at falsified heights. Bradley is 5'6".

[IMG]http://*********.com/Boxing/20101207bradley003.jpg[/IMG]

Now look at Alexander and Matthysse.



For arguments sake, zab judah is supposed to be 5'7".



Fighters heights are almost ALWAYS wrong. Matthysse isn't that short, he just isn't.
So Matthysse is like 5'8 then I'd say? That does sound more realistic.

But still, you are telling me Matthysse, the guy in the ring last night... Who is an inch shorter then Victor Ortiz and Canelo. No where near as thick through the body. Weighs the same amount as those guys on fight night?

An inch shorter, not as thick, yet weighs the same. It's never been done in boxing before. Not only in boxing but in life. It's physically impossible.

Then take in the fact Matthysse has never weighed in over low 150's and the case is solved. It doesn't take a lot of logic to see the truth here.
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Im not sure how showing Lopez 10 pounds heavier then usual but looking much chubbier and bigger then usual proves about Lucas who looks the same as always yet "gained" 13-15 pounds more then usual
You missed the argument. he said that lucas could fight at 147 based on the weight he gained. My argument is no, Lopez is proof that you still need to at least compaign at the weight for a few. Lopez carried the weight as well, it didn't mean he was appropriate there or as effective.
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Showtime confirmed it even after the telecast. And he isn't 5'6", people need to stop looking at falsified heights. Bradley is 5'6".



Now look at Alexander and Matthysse.



For arguments sake, zab judah is supposed to be 5'7".



Fighters heights are almost ALWAYS wrong. Matthysse isn't that short, he just isn't.
The photos are taken at an angel making it hard to tell height and you dont know if 1 guy is wearing shoes or anything like that

Trying to guess height is meaningless.
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You missed the argument. he said that lucas could fight at 147 based on the weight he gained. My argument is no, Lopez is proof that you still need to at least compaign at the weight for a few. Lopez carried the weight as well, it didn't mean he was appropriate there or as effective.
Oh sorry i missed that. I agree with you
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