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Old 01-15-2013, 12:56 AM
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I thought gatekeepers where the guys that couldnt even get matches against champs, and would lose or expose every prospect on the rise.

Guys like Judah, Cotto, etc. are still only losing against top level champs, once they start losing to prospects or even other contenders then they start becoming gatekeepers.

Carlos Quintana for example is a true gatekeeper now.
This is exactly what a gatekeeper is. Quintana, Corley, Johnson[now], Bailey, Katsidis, Spinks, Mayorga, Mosley[now] etc, are gatekeepers.

People mentioning Cotto, Judah, Maidana, Berto, Bika don't even know what a gatekeeper is and they need to stop. If these guys are gatekeepers then the only good fighters are top 3 fighters of a weight class, and that is just so ridiculously false that it's not even funny and I have to question every single person's knowledge of boxing in this thread. You mention lower tier top 10 fighters and call them gatekeepers, we already have a problem in boxing then...mentioning top 5 fighters of a weight class and calling them gatekeepers, go watch another sport, please.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:44 PM
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Gatekeepers are typically labelled as fighters young prospects step up against to get to solid contender or title contention status.

Guys like Cotto are not close to being gatekeepers yet. Pavlik isn't either. They only fight other top champions, big names or number 1 guys in their division (unless they are taking tune ups after a layoff like Pavlik). That is so far removed from what a gatekeeper, that it's just absurd to call them gatekeepers.

They might get a title shot here and there, but they're generally beyond title challenges. They are used for young guys trying to pass their first big test, hence gatekeeper. They have enough of a name left for tune ups against champs etc still, but are basically used as fodder to test rising guys on.

Someone mentioned Miranda, and he is a great example. He's no threat to the champs, got a decent name and still can be risky so he's used to for young guys coming up. Bailey is a good gatekeeper, and has shown himself to be risky still by beating one of the young guys.

Even Judah isn't really a gatekeeper yet. He's on the verge, and has been for some time. Not yet though.

Most of the guys mentioned in this thread are way above gatekeeper status still. They are the top guys in the division fighting in title fights etc!

Even Mayorga isn't really a gatekeeper. He's only fought Cotto, Mosley, Vargas, Oscar and one journeyman who he beat in the last five years. That's not what a gatekeeper does.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:10 PM
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This is exactly what a gatekeeper is. Quintana, Corley, Johnson[now], Bailey, Katsidis, Spinks, Mayorga, Mosley[now] etc, are gatekeepers.

People mentioning Cotto, Judah, Maidana, Berto, Bika don't even know what a gatekeeper is and they need to stop. If these guys are gatekeepers then the only good fighters are top 3 fighters of a weight class, and that is just so ridiculously false that it's not even funny and I have to question every single person's knowledge of boxing in this thread. You mention lower tier top 10 fighters and call them gatekeepers, we already have a problem in boxing then...mentioning top 5 fighters of a weight class and calling them gatekeepers, go watch another sport, please.
Ring has Bika ranked at #8, but I personally don't hold him in such a high regard. He's 33 years old, suffers from inactivity, has losses to Ward/Bute/Calzaghe, and barely receives any promotion. His next fight is against somebody I've never heard of (Sjekloca) in February. Granted, it's for the interim WBC belt, but he already lost to Ward already. Bika is a rough and rugged opponent that can take guys out of their element. If you can't beat Bika, you're not a top 10 SMW imho.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:36 PM
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Quintana (he's just retired though, right?), Miranda, Holt, Katsidis, maybe Gomez.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:06 PM
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gatekeeper is inside the top 15-20. he beats all the journeymen but loses to most the guys above him but on any given night he could pull the odd upset. monte barrett had that role in the HW division for several years. dereck chisora has taken over that role. he's the new gatekeeper of the HW division.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:09 PM
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The ones calling Cotto a ''gatekeeper'' are either

A. Margarito worshipers Or B. Cats that don't Know S*** about boxing.

Absolutely pitiful!!
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:48 PM
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This is exactly what a gatekeeper is. Quintana, Corley, Johnson[now], Bailey, Katsidis, Spinks, Mayorga, Mosley[now] etc, are gatekeepers.

People mentioning Cotto, Judah, Maidana, Berto, Bika don't even know what a gatekeeper is and they need to stop. If these guys are gatekeepers then the only good fighters are top 3 fighters of a weight class, and that is just so ridiculously false that it's not even funny and I have to question every single person's knowledge of boxing in this thread. You mention lower tier top 10 fighters and call them gatekeepers, we already have a problem in boxing then...mentioning top 5 fighters of a weight class and calling them gatekeepers, go watch another sport, please.
If Quintana comes out of retirement then he's a gatekeeper.

People here are mentioning fighters that are still getting championship fights. Those fighters are most definitely not gatekeepers.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:48 PM
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Why do guys keep talking about 'fighting for championships'. You know good and well fighting for a belt is becoming damn near worthless. Because you get headliners and championship fight doesn't necessarily exclude you from being a gatekeeper. Judah has been that status for a while now. He just has good management and a fan base that keeps him relevant. You beat Judah and you become important. You beat Mosley at this point you become the next big thing. Pavlik hasnt fought enough so we dont know what the hell he is right now. You beat Berto and apparently it leads to the top gate opening. He's a high profile gatekeeper. I think its being confused wth being a straight journeyman who takes what ever fight they can get. A gatekeeper can still be a bit picky while collecting a decent check. Its really not an insult IMO.
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A gate keeper is someone like Andre Dirrell
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