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View Poll Results: Do you consider Wladamir Klitschko the "lineal" champion
Yes, even though his brother is a dominant, legit WBC champion 21 72.41%
No, you can't forge new lineage with another, equally dominant champion knocking about 8 27.59%
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Lineage and undisputed are two different things.

If you believe that lineage is reestablished when a fight between the no.1 and no.2 (sometimes 3) then Wlad became linear champ when beating Chagaev.

If you need to be undisputed to claim lineage then you'll not have any linear champs today.


Going by your standard then who did Tyson beat to become lineal champ?
Spinks.

The exact lineage is here

http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a...avyweights.htm
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:50 AM
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as you see, Wlad is the lineal champ since beating Chagaev in 2009
Hmmm, interesting. Who is the Las Vegas Boxing HOF anyway out of curiosity? Is there actually an official linear organisation?
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:52 AM
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Hmmm, interesting. Who is the Las Vegas Boxing HOF anyway out of curiosity? Is there actually an official linear organisation?
Las Vegas HOF was founded last year. Steve Lott is the CEO over there - Steve is a very credible boxing historian in my opinion.
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Wlad and Vitali... combined =Lineal champ.

Just like in everything else that mattered
it takes TWO Klitschkos to = one Lewis
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Hmmm, interesting. Who is the Las Vegas Boxing HOF anyway out of curiosity? Is there actually an official linear organisation?
that looks like some Mickey Mouse site, who knicked CYBERZONE Boxings list.

Fact is if we are considering Wladamir to have established linearity without beating a DOMINANT legitimate WBC champion then we are setting a dangerous precident imo.

I don't belive in granting the Klitschkos special privellages because they are brothers.
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I don't think it matters to them. They run the heavyweight division anyway. They beat the best opponents out there. Wlad said he not fighting his bro, it sucks but it's understandable.
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that looks like some Mickey Mouse site, who knicked CYBERZONE Boxings list.

Fact is if we are considering Wladamir to have established linearity without beating a DOMINANT legitimate WBC champion then we are setting a dangerous precident imo.

I don't belive in granting the Klitschkos special privellages because they are brothers.
The only thing that looks like a "Mickey Mouse" site is the link you posted. And your whole thread here is based on your link. Problem is the link is not updated and it stops showing the lineal champ in 2004. And that is all your thread here is based on. My link is updated and shows that since beating Chagaev in 2009, Klitschko is considered the new lineal champ. Deal with it.
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The only thing that looks like a "Mickey Mouse" site is the link you posted. And your whole thread here is based on your link. Problem is the link is not updated and it stops showing the lineal champ in 2004. And that is all your thread here is based on. My link is updated and shows that since beating Chagaev in 2009, Klitschko is considered the new lineal champ. Deal with it.
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The problem, by your standard, is that Spinks didn't have an alphabet belt. By your standards Tyson was already undisputed when he beat linear champion Spinks.

The lineage is here:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm
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Originally Posted by BattlingNelson View Post
The problem, by your standard, is that Spinks didn't have an alphabet belt. By your standards Tyson was already undisputed when he beat linear champion Spinks.

The lineage is here:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm
which belt are we missing?

WBO? that wasn't classed as a real title until at least the mid 90's

if you are of the opinion Wlad is lineal, that's your opinion, mine is that he isn't, but can, and probably will be when he eventually mops up the WBC
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