Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: In ’12, PED Speculation Became Suspicion

[ADP02]

Originally Posted by Carlos Alberto

Mr. Greisman, you completely failed to address the biggest suspect in this whole PED issue: Manny Pacquiao!!! Why are you not mentioning the devastating beatings this former 112 pound champion gave to the likes of naturally bigger men like Ricky Hatton, Miguel Angel Cotto, and Antonio Margarito? Why are you not mentioning the fact that Shane Mosley, a naturally bigger man who fought the likes of naturally bigger fighters in Oscar De La Hoya, Fernando Vargas, Vernon Forrest, Miguel Cotto, & Ronald Wright, just to name a few, said there was something "special" about Pacquiao's power?

Also, why are you wasting readers' time by writing about Erik Morales' positive drug results?! It is an absolute fact that a significant percentage of Mexican beef contains Clenbuterol!!! This isn't the first time Mexican athletes have tested positive for this drug (and it will not be the last)!!! You say the Morales vs Garcia fight should have been canceled. What a joke of a statement. This again shows your ignorance on the matter! A Performance Enhancing Drug, by definition, enhances performance. Tell me, sir, what in Morales' terrible performance makes you suspect enhancement?! Was it the manner in which he was KTFO?

Please Mr. Greisman, your job is to provide complete and accurate information. If you are not going to commit to that standard, then how can we, the readers, ever come to trust your work? We already have one Ronnie Nathaniels, we sure as hell do not need another one!!!

Contradiction here!

You say Morales got KOed so we shouldn't be thinking that he took PEDs? If so then Manny also got KOed, so using your logic, Manny should not be under suspicion either but going by your first statement you say that Manny is the biggest suspect! lol!

[ADP02]

Originally Posted by mrjoeblive

Hell yeah!!!!! You tell em benny. Him and check hooker were tb
he main hacks saying ost is not needed in boxing. Now those little BEYOTCHES are crying out from the roof tops that ost should be in play. What they are saying is, Floyd you were right we need ost! Please help us floyd PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

I guess that I need to remind you that from day one, it wasn't that Manny didn't agree to extra testing, he just did not agree to Floyd's cutoff dates. After that initial discussion, Manny actually agreed and Floyd also stated that testing is no longer an issue.

As far as OST, Floyd has not done that either. Floyd can take PEDs while he is on his long vacation then cycle off just weeks before the fight.

Finally, there was a poll when the 14 day cutoff was floating around where both Floyd fans and Manny fans were OK with that if it got that fight on. So to now come back and say that all of Manny's fans wanted no testing is false!!! We just wanted to see a fight ....

The problem here is that after the testing demands came the long vacations and then other roadblocks. Mix in having video clips of Floyd's uncle and father saying that they don't want Floyd fighting Manny. Plus Floyd coming out with "health is more important". So we questioned Floyds true reason for demanding testing.

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Originally Posted by Fetta

And all it took was Pac being put to sleep for PEDs to take center stage and now everyone is all of the sudden on board. SMH!

Here is the latest pac-stain dilemma.....

The can either accept the result, sit down, and shut the fuk up, or.....

..... they can admit that Mayweather was correct, and then explain why Pacquiao refused random blood tests without a 24-day cutoff.

Well, which one is it pac-stains ?

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Originally Posted by woopwoop

His win over Manny will always be associated with PEDs. That is Fact.

I actually gave the 3rd fight to Marquez. But now i've lost all respect to this guy.

cry-baby b1tch

how did this fight negate Marquez' win over Pacquiao in the 3rd fight ?

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Originally Posted by ADP02

I guess that I need to remind you that from day one, it wasn't that Manny didn't agree to extra testing, he just did not agree to Floyd's cutoff dates. After that initial discussion, Manny actually agreed and Floyd also stated that testing is no longer an issue.

As far as OST, Floyd has not done that either. Floyd can take PEDs while he is on his long vacation then cycle off just weeks before the fight.

Finally, there was a poll when the 14 day cutoff was floating around where both Floyd fans and Manny fans were OK with that if it got that fight on. So to now come back and say that all of Manny's fans wanted no testing is false!!! We just wanted to see a fight ....

The problem here is that after the testing demands came the long vacations and then other roadblocks. Mix in having video clips of Floyd's uncle and father saying that they don't want Floyd fighting Manny. Plus Floyd coming out with "health is more important". So we questioned Floyds true reason for demanding testing.

Well pac-stain, which one is it.....

You can either accept the result, sit down, and shut the fuk up, or.....

..... you can admit that Mayweather was correct, and then explain why Pacquiao refused random blood tests without a 24-day cutoff.

Well, which one is it ?

[ADP02]

Originally Posted by stretchedout

Well pac-stain, which one is it.....

You can either accept the result, sit down, and shut the fuk up, or.....

..... you can admit that Mayweather was correct, and then explain why Pacquiao refused random blood tests without a 24-day cutoff.

Well, which one is it ?

Easy, we were right that Floyd put every roadblock in the book. Manny accepted but then Floyd put new roadblocks. When the new roadblocks initially came out as rumors, Floyd fans got caught with stating "I will not believe it until Floyd comes out with that statement". Once Floyd confirmed those new roadblocks, Floyd fans changed their view and agreed with Floyd .... lol!

For testing to work it should be done throughout and not dependent on the fighters negotiated contract. If that was the case, Manny would have had no choice but to agree or never fight again. Secondly, it removes those who don't have the clout of not being able to negotiate that their opponent should be tested. Third point is that we would not be handcuffed the way we were as fans to wait for both fighters to finally come to terms. Finally, it should be so that the athlete can be tested 24/7, 365 days a year.

All I said still doesn't guarantee fighters can't cheat the system but its a "real" start. What I mean is when someone like Marquez's conditioning coach admits that he can think of 20 drugs that will go unnoticed even if the athlete gets tested, that means that the system is presently flawed.

Last point is that even when Manny agreed to testing, you guys still pretended that Manny has never come out with a statement that he agreed. Even now, you guys are still discussing all this like as if Manny never agreed. Just read your previous post. You are stuck in late 2009. Manny kept on moving forward and agreeing while Floyd kept on stepping back and removing previously negotiated requests ..... and finally moved on to other roadblocks once Floyd couldn't go any further on the testing issues since even Floyd admitted that there were no longer any issues pertaining to testing

[GoldSugar]

Originally Posted by ADP02

Easy, we were right that Floyd put every roadblock in the book. Manny accepted but then Floyd put new roadblocks. When the new roadblocks initially came out as rumors, Floyd fans got caught with stating "I will not believe it until Floyd comes out with that statement". Once Floyd confirmed those new roadblocks, Floyd fans changed their view and agreed with Floyd .... lol!

For testing to work it should be done throughout and not dependent on the fighters negotiated contract. If that was the case, Manny would have had no choice but to agree or never fight again. Secondly, it removes those who don't have the clout of not being able to negotiate that their opponent should be tested. Third point is that we would not be handcuffed the way we were as fans to wait for both fighters to finally come to terms. Finally, it should be so that the athlete can be tested 24/7, 365 days a year.

All I said still doesn't guarantee fighters can't cheat the system but its a "real" start. What I mean is when someone like Marquez's conditioning coach admits that he can think of 20 drugs that will go unnoticed even if the athlete gets tested, that means that the system is presently flawed.

Last point is that even when Manny agreed to testing, you guys still pretended that Manny has never come out with a statement that he agreed. Even now, you guys are still discussing all this like as if Manny never agreed. Just read your previous post. You are stuck in late 2009. Manny kept on moving forward and agreeing while Floyd kept on stepping back and removing previously negotiated requests ..... and finally moved on to other roadblocks once Floyd couldn't go any further on the testing issues since even Floyd admitted that there were no longer any issues pertaining to testing

Manny didn't ever agree to testing when a contract was put in front of him.
Turned it down in 2009-2010 and NOW all of a sudden he agrees after 3 years of stalling? How the hell is that not suspicious?

[Ray*]

Suspicion was back in 2009 for normal people, a right hand brought it home to the dumb/slow people.

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Originally Posted by ADP02

Easy, we were right that Floyd put every roadblock in the book. Manny accepted but then Floyd put new roadblocks. When the new roadblocks initially came out as rumors, Floyd fans got caught with stating "I will not believe it until Floyd comes out with that statement". Once Floyd confirmed those new roadblocks, Floyd fans changed their view and agreed with Floyd .... lol!

For testing to work it should be done throughout and not dependent on the fighters negotiated contract. If that was the case, Manny would have had no choice but to agree or never fight again. Secondly, it removes those who don't have the clout of not being able to negotiate that their opponent should be tested. Third point is that we would not be handcuffed the way we were as fans to wait for both fighters to finally come to terms. Finally, it should be so that the athlete can be tested 24/7, 365 days a year.

All I said still doesn't guarantee fighters can't cheat the system but its a "real" start. What I mean is when someone like Marquez's conditioning coach admits that he can think of 20 drugs that will go unnoticed even if the athlete gets tested, that means that the system is presently flawed.

Last point is that even when Manny agreed to testing, you guys still pretended that Manny has never come out with a statement that he agreed. Even now, you guys are still discussing all this like as if Manny never agreed. Just read your previous post. You are stuck in late 2009. Manny kept on moving forward and agreeing while Floyd kept on stepping back and removing previously negotiated requests ..... and finally moved on to other roadblocks once Floyd couldn't go any further on the testing issues since even Floyd admitted that there were no longer any issues pertaining to testing

pac-stain, Manny refused random blood tests without a 24-day cutoff.....

you clowns insisted that " the commission is doing its job ", so Mayweather must be a coward

now you clowns think that additional testing would be great for the sport SMH

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Originally Posted by ray*

suspicion was back in 2009 for normal people, a right hand brought it home to the dumb/slow people.

exactly !!!!