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Old 12-25-2012, 05:20 PM
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c) Since when is Vitali so degraded? last I checked the man was fighting well. He needs a challenge for his legacy and Haye is a live dog. Haye is the biggest threat to Vitali....
you must be kidding - in his last 2 fights, vitali looked like an old man. yes, he won, but that was because his opponents were rubbish. look at his (lack of) footwork in the charr fight, his lack of handspeed. compare that to the adamek fight, which was the last fight where he really looked decent.

I always liked vitali, but he is very clearly way past his prime. I think he should retire now.
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Old 12-25-2012, 05:28 PM
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Although yes he was. Ring, WBA, WBC & WBO champ. It was acknowledged by the bodies that he was undisputed champ. Forget all this Cunningham bull****. You're just hating as per usual.
There is no doubt that I don't care for Haye. However, this has nothing to do with how much I dislike Haye it is just fact. Why? Because he never won the IBF belt and nothing can be undisputed if it is in fact disputed.

I also believe that Haye may have had a much better claim if he stayed in the CW and made at least a few defenses. And there were fights to be made with Cunningham or Adamek who was already in the division or even Huck.

But no his legacy in the CW division is winning against a past his prime old Mormeck. Who then sat out for a couple of years before he moved into the HW division as a side show act. He then unified against a fighter that most likely can't go on a windy day without head gear on. Wow, what a legacy??

As I already stated Haye's fans blow his career at CW way out proportion. When in reality there wasn't much to it at all. And if anything it is actually Haye's MO. Because his career at HW also hasn't been anything to write home about. And regardless of how biased I may be. I think that we can agree that it is pretty obvious that Haye doesn't give a crap about his legacy in the sport of boxing.
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Old 12-25-2012, 05:29 PM
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If only Vitali stopped avoiding Haye we could finally get the fight made. It's the most logical fight for both these boxers to retire on and brings in the most money worldwide. But I think Vitali and team got worried about facing Haye after what Haye did to Chisora, which Vitali came nowhere close to doing in his fight with Chisora. Instead of sticking to his word of fighting Haye if he beat Chisora, Vitali did the exact opposite and started avoiding Haye even more openly.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:01 PM
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Sorry, but Fury and Price are nowhere near ready for Haye. Both have their upsides and HW potential, but they are also slow as feck, have poor defence and poor chins. Those are fights that would do nothing for Haye.
While I'd make Haye favourite, this isn't accurate in my opinion.

(a) Not fighting does nothing for Haye; and (b) beating two big UK 'names' can only boost Haye's career, profile, and ultimate aim of getting another crack at a Klitschko brother.

Besides potentially losing (and thus losing his right to call out VK) I see no valid reason for him not to want these fights, the 'in 50 years time' stuff is b/s imo.

If Froch is willing to give Groves and DeGale a crack later in the year, Haye can give these guys a shot (if they really want it).

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Old 12-25-2012, 06:03 PM
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:05 PM
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He's fought Wlad and would like to fight Vitali also - given that the other side are quoted as saying 'beat Chisora and then fight Vitali'
Wrong again, maybe one day you'll get it right.

Actually right if you refer to Frank Warren as "the other side".
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:20 PM
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While I'd make Haye favourite, this isn't accurate in my opinion.

(a) Not fighting does nothing for Haye; and (b) beating two big UK 'names' can only boost Haye's career, profile, and ultimate aim of getting another crack at a Klitschko brother.

Besides potentially losing (and thus losing his right to call out VK) I see no valid reason for him not to want these fights, the 'in 50 years time' stuff is b/s imo.

If Froch is willing to give Groves and DeGale a crack later in the year, Haye can give these guys a shot (if they really want it).
First thing there for me is I don't think DeGale or Groves will get near Froch anytime soon, for the same reasons.

I'll be honest about Fury and Price in saying I don't think either of them would actually take the fight anyway. They both have a lot of improving to do before getting there, the flaws they have are too much against a real world class fighter.

Time will tell on it, but I'd honestly have Haye blasting them both out without much difficulty, and I wouldn't consider either win to be all that good.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:02 PM
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:06 PM
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Price has **** defense and a 42 year old Skelton exposed his weak defense, the guy is also said to have a glass chin, Haye wud walk all over him in 3 rounds

Fury has no power, the guy fights from the inside, Haye wud make mince meat out of him via TKO in 3 rounds

Wlad cudnt land on Haye when the guy had his hands down, so Fury and Price who are very slow have no chance...

Haye is in another league...
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:51 PM
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Price has **** defense and a 42 year old Skelton exposed his weak defense, the guy is also said to have a glass chin, Haye wud walk all over him in 3 rounds

Fury has no power, the guy fights from the inside, Haye wud make mince meat out of him via TKO in 3 rounds

Wlad cudnt land on Haye when the guy had his hands down, so Fury and Price who are very slow have no chance...

Haye is in another league...
How did Skelton prove that Price has no defense? Was it the four shots he landed on him over two rounds?
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