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View Poll Results: Is Wladimir a top 5 fighter of this last decade 2001-2012
Nope He is not 32 60.38%
Yes he is top 5 of the last decade. 21 39.62%
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:44 PM
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Could probably name 10 who are arguably better. 5 is easy... and the first 4 are not really arguable in any sense

Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, Marquez, Cotto, Calzaghe, MAB, Shane Mosley, Winky Wright, struggling for a tenth tbh.

Some will point to the records of some on the list in this decade but the level of competition is just a different level to what Wladimir has faced.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:45 PM
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Wladimir isn't in a discussion like this. He's had the misfortune of fighting in the weakest division in boxing with no opposition to challenge him. It's made him very wealthy, but it hasn't made him a HOF fighter.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:48 PM
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Could probably name 10 who are arguably better. 5 is easy... and the first 4 are not really arguable in any sense

Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, Marquez, Cotto, Calzaghe, MAB, Shane Mosley, Winky Wright, struggling for a tenth tbh.

Some will point to the records of some on the list in this decade but the level of competition is just a different level to what Wladimir has faced.

I 100% agree with Hopkins Pac Calzaghe and Mayweather.
But how is Cotto better or achieved more? I agree the issues with Wlad is competition and of course he was knocked out twice in his prime.

But, he should still rightfully be ranked higher than Miguel Cotto?
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:51 PM
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Wladimir isn't in a discussion like this. He's had the misfortune of fighting in the weakest division in boxing with no opposition to challenge him. It's made him very wealthy, but it hasn't made him a HOF fighter.


Sure it has. I thought you were gonna say that, "it hasn't made him the Greatest of All time Heavyweight Fighter". Then I would tend to agree.

But HOF? Pleauzeee!!! Hall of Fame is subjective. Who gets into the HOF is subjective. Even actors who played Fighters got into the HOF and other fighters agreed that they should be in the HOF. I don't think Wlad will have problems making it into the HOF. A first ballot hall of famer 100%
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:54 PM
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I 100% agree with Hopkins Pac Calzaghe and Mayweather.
But how is Cotto better or achieved more? I agree the issues with Wlad is competition and of course he was knocked out twice in his prime.

But, he should still rightfully be ranked higher than Miguel Cotto?
That's why I said only 4 are inarguable. Cotto hadn't achieved more in the sense of title defences etc but it could be argued that he has done better due to competition. Don't you think Marquez is inarguably better than Wlad too? There is no way that Calzaghe is better than Marquez, so if you agree with me that Marquez is better than Wlad too then you can't put Wlad in the top 5.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:57 PM
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Sure it has. I thought you were gonna say that, "it hasn't made him the Greatest of All time Heavyweight Fighter". Then I would tend to agree.

But HOF? Pleauzeee!!! Hall of Fame is subjective. Who gets into the HOF is subjective. Even actors who played Fighters got into the HOF and other fighters agreed that they should be in the HOF. I don't think Wlad will have problems making it into the HOF. A first ballot hall of famer 100%
Yeah he's a fall of famer but that by no means makes you a great these days.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:59 PM
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You have to rate them based on they're level of competition, Not some magazine that rates them based on belts. If he'd never been knocked out bad like he did i would have had him #4 lol. We all have an opinion im sure most won't agree.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:07 PM
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Yeah he's a fall of famer but that by no means makes you a great these days.
I agree. Nonetheless, he is a great fighter.

Someone's next reply may be that the word "great" has been devalued itself and thrown around too loosely. Point taken. But either way you slice it, a guy with 59 wins, only 3 losses, 13 title defenses with no end in sight, has to be considered "great" by any standard.

You can cut down his opposition level all you like, winning is winning and how you win (as in dominant) matters even more. If he was squeaking out split decisions in FOTY's, someone may even give him some bonus points instead of punishing him. I prefer the one sided beat downs.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:08 PM
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:11 PM
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if you cant name at least 10 then you are probably very new to boxing, or a Wlad superfan.

In the HW division there was of course Lennox, plus Evander Holyfield gets a scrape in.

Not sure about cruisers but at LH roy jones and bhop, and possibly maybe Darius Michalczewski.

Dropping down further theres at least a dozen more obvious names.
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