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Old 11-20-2012, 09:29 AM
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There is no definative answer to that. Some Palestinians would go for a settlement with a state that has a meaningful piece of land. But clearly right now Palestine as it stands now is unacceptable. You raise a very good point though. I have never seen a Palestinian proposal defining what compromise they want. There must be a reason for this and my guess is the media hides this.
The main reason is because they want the total destruction and removal of Israel. Palestine's "compromise" has always been to get rid of Israel. Its been what 70 years and they still dont know what they want, but its somehow the media's fault for "hiding it"? Im not even sure what that means.

Terrorist organizations like Hama's will never stop terrorizing Israel until they "leave" and we know that isnt happening

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This video is by a Jewish man who converted to Orthodox Christianity:

So what if he used to be jewish? Anyone can make conspiracy nut youtube videos
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:32 AM
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I'm going to say no to this, and almost shocked this is what you believe. Don't try to simply lay the blame on "the media".. Why would the media hide this? Are they also silencing every person in this thread?

The media isn't 1 entity run by 1 person or group, there are probably millions of different media outlets in existence. I find it impossible that the reason why we haven't heard 1 proposal is because the entire media is purposely hiding this info to make look palestians look evil. Including Al Jazeera.
I am glad you are shocked. It may get you thinking that the illusions that we create in our minds by repetitive propaganda really don't stand up to real logical scrutiny.
The line being fed is Israel are the good guys the Palestinians the bad Muslim terrorist nut jobs. But look at the maps and they tell their own story and if you look shrinking Palestinian territory only a nut job would find that acceptable.
Lets say there was a PROMOTED real proposal that the majority of Palestinians found acceptable which would lead to a more peaceful situation ( I say more peaceful because not all Palestinians would go for it ). But there would be more peace than there is now and if the Palestinians felt they had something to lose would curb the militant activity.There would be defined land masses in that proposal giving a meaningful amount of space for a Palestinian state. What would happen if that was accepted? Large tracts of the occupied territories would have to be vacated by the Jewish settlers that would have to cram in to the legitimate part of Israel causing all sorts of problems. The settlers would go crazy if they were moved out and would most likely want any Israeli Prime Minister implementing this policy assassinated. The longer the occupied Territories are in Israel's hands the more they are built out and the more populated they become the more difficult it is to reverse things.
Right now the media has the Israelis as the good guys who are being victimized . If the media got behind a real compromise proposal and the world could see a viable solution which reversed the land grab and Israel was totally unreasonable and refused it Israel would be perceived as a criminal thieving state. Israel has no intention of releasing the usurped territories. They just want the Palestinian's to accept the pittance they have and suck it up. They have gained most of the land and don't want to hand it back.That is why there is nothing ever real on the table. We get the mantra Israel has a right to exist which most of us accept but in it's present form it is at the expense of Palestinian land. Palestine has a right to exist also and in it's present tiny form it is a joke.
We are told that the Palestinians are unreasonable and Israel has a right to defend it self and it is all the Palestinian's fault and while that perception is out there Israel gets a free pass to sit on the stolen usurped Territories and give them a nice PC name the occupied Territories which is now being called the disputed territories but the bottom line is through force it will forever be Israeli territory.

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Old 11-20-2012, 11:43 AM
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I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Hamas is firing rockets into Israel -- But it is a direct result of the recent assassination of the Hamas Leader by Israel.

Here's where it gets sticky, Israel violated the cease-fire by targeting the Hamas leader, and instigated the retaliatory firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas supporters. Prior to the Assassination, there was relative quiet {as quiet as it can be in that area of the world}

Why did Israel target and kill Hamas leaders, WHO JUST SO HAPPEN TO HAVE BEEN DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED BY THE Palestinians. What would Israel do, if Hamas targeted and killed Netanyahu ????
More than 700 rockets were launched into Israel this year before it launched the offensive last week to take out the Hamas leader. Thats 700 rockets fired into Israeli civilian populations in just over 10 months.

The "sticky situation" is funny because you claim they are retaliatory rockets for killing the hamas leader and then claim there was "relative quiet" when in fact 700 rockets were fired into Israel during this "relative quiet"
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But what are the actual facts about who's in the higher positions and are majority owners of the mainstream media? You need to be either Jewish (Redstone, Blitzer, etc) married to a Jew (Connie Chung) or gay (Anderson Cooper - you find gays non-threatening) to be in a high media position nowadays.

Do the research.

What is most shocking is the Forbes list of top hundred wealthiest Americans. In 2000, I was surprised that 24 of the top 100 were the "chosen", despite being only 2.4% of the US population.

But what's really shocking is that since then, virtually ALL the NEW people (top people in Facebook, Google, Yahoo, etc) in the Forbes top 100 are guess what? It's over 40% now. If you count the Waltons (not Jewish, that's why you hate them, Russian Crushin) as one, the percentage of "chosen" in the top 100 is getting close to 50%. The billionaire WASPS are getting OLD, they are gradually being replaced by young people from the "chosen".
I dont even know who these "Waltons" you are referring to even are

You're seriously losing it bro
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So what if he used to be jewish? Anyone can make conspiracy nut youtube videos
That may be the case but in this instance has he got his facts right? The truth is the truth regardless of the messenger.
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That may be the case but in this instance has he got his facts right? The truth is the truth regardless of the messenger.
Yea just like 9/11 conspiracy nuts have the "facts" about what really happened on 9/11. You can collect facts but you can also assemble then to make up whatever conspiracy you want

And i agree, its not about the messenger, its about the message, thats my whole point
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Yea just like 9/11 conspiracy nuts have the "facts" about what really happened on 9/11. You can collect facts but you can also assemble then to make up whatever conspiracy you want

And i agree, its not about the messenger, its about the message, thats my whole point
Hey, Now you are being silly. The guys he claims own and run the media outfits either own or run them or don't . These are definable facts and you don't need to drop to silly levels of argument to murky up the waters by ropeing it in with 9 11 conspiracy theories.

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Hey, Now you are being silly. The guys he claims own and run the media outfits either own or run them or don't . These are definable facts and you don't need to drop to silly levels of argument to murky up the waters to rope it in with 9 11 conspiracy theories.
No the point he is making is that Jews control the media, and it seems that you agree and looking at your previous post that the media is hiding Palestine's "proposal for peace", you believe that theres a conspiracy against Palestine being enacted by the Jews

Yes this is a conspiracy theory, just like 9/11, which the Jews did as well, obviously
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No, but that's always been your tactic. Label your enemies as insane, right?

But people can check the Forbes list of 2000 and compare it to the 2012 list and do a little research, they'll find I'm right.

You know the Waltons are the non-Jewish family that owns the Wal-Mart (why it gets bashed by you and the media) and they are among the ever-shrinking number of non-Jews on the Forbes top 100 list of richest people in the USA.
I have never made a single statement about the Waltons, and i didnt even know or care is they're jewish or not

And where did i say "my enemies" were insane?
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