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Old 11-19-2012, 10:23 PM
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lol all of a sudden people are angry at rumors...the same people who feasted on rumors when it wasn't on their favorite fighters.
Pacquiao has a big head trumps the Chairman of the BWAA reporting three failed Mayweather drug tests.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:26 PM
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Floyd p4p baby....he would never lose to a bum like bradley
Bradley is not a bum but since he is more famous and higher rated than you are at what you do, you don't even qualify as a Bum. So going by your statement, you are less than a Bum.
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Pacquiao has a big head trumps the Chairman of the BWAA reporting three failed Mayweather drug tests.



the flowmoe double standards.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:28 PM
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There is a lot to take away from this article and a lot that hasn't been said at the same time.

Below are my thoughts:

Hauser shouldn't have opened with rumors

This is what this thread has mostly focused on for the last 80 pages, and it's obviously the biggest story of the bunch. However, Hauser shouldn't have started with it nor included it if he couldn't at least find sources of said rumors.

Hauser covers the basic grounds of clearly stating their rumors, but look how many people now belief Floyd has tested positive three times. Would I be surprised if Floyd did? No, not at all.


Still for all the integrity Hauser has as an author*, he should have at least gotten sources to where they or he had heard the rumors from. GBP's lawyers mentioned it to Montoya before he had ever written anything about it officially, but it's pretty obvious that Montoya had heard it from other people.

The problem with this is both Hauser and Montoya failed to, on multiple occasions, say that sources directly told them that they suspected Floyd failing three tests.

It's also to note that...

Hauser has been wrong before regarding Golden Boy Promotions

Anyone who has read my critiques of Hauser knows that I strongly disagreed with a lot of his HBO rants during the Greenburg era. However, Hauser has been factually wrong about Golden Boy Promotions before too.

Hauser wrote regarding Ortiz Campbell...

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2) If the license fee for Ortiz-Campbell was really $750,000, why did the fighters get only $250,000? Here, Golden Boy can point to the fact that it had to pay $150,000 to Don King Productions as part of a buyout deal for Nate Campbell***8217;s contract and approximately $125,000 to Top Rank as part of a litigation settlement regarding Victor Ortiz***8217;s contract.

Now we come to the heart of the matter.

(3) Was money shifted from the license fee for Khan-Malignaggi to the license fee for Ortiz-Campbell to deny DiBella Entertainment 40 percent of the amount that was shifted?

Ortiz-Campbell was the opening bout on a Boxing After Dark telecast. A $400,000 license fee would have been generous payment for that match-up. Indeed, it***8217;s highly unlikely that another television network would have paid anything close to $400,000 for Ortiz-Campbell. Why the extra $350,000?

...

It would make a lot of sense economically for Golden Boy to move money from Khan-Malignaggi (where it***8217;s paying 40 percent to DiBella) to Ortiz-Campbell to pay King.

During the past few years, there have been complaints throughout the boxing industry of improprieties in the relationship between HBO and Golden Boy.

Is this an example? If so, the legal ramifications could be significant
http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing...xing-news/why-

Golden Boy was originally suspended by the NYSAC for failing to file documents in a timely manner. However, Hauser and George Kimball ran with the story without investing speculating that GBP was moving money around.

They were wrong:

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Golden Boy further went after writer George Kimball, a veteran beat reporter who penned the original piece making accusations on a boxing website that the company had hidden the financial terms of the fight, as well as making other accusations related to the money paid by HBO. The article was removed from the website a few days later when attorney Judd Burstein, representing Golden Boy, threatened legal action.

"While Golden Boy made some procedural errors, the real story here is how supposedly reputable journalists, such as Mr. Kimball, feel free to write affirmatively false stories which they either know to be false or should have known to be false by simply reading the relevant documents," Golden Boy's statement said.

Golden Boy said it is considering legal action against the outlets that published Kimball's stories, but would prefer a retraction and apology.
Why is this relevant here? Because speculation, which in the case of Floyd's USADA tests, isn't always right. Hauser was wrong before and could be wrong about implying the reason Pacquiao-Mayweather's suit was settled because TR requested for Mayweather's medical records. It's speculation and isn't backed up by sources or any such thing.

Although people are ignoring the positives of the article too.

Hauser did some great reporting

While a lot of it is rehash of what Montoya has been saying the last six months, Hauser has some great insight from Ryan Connolly and VADA's side regarding Andre Berto's positive tests.

When Hauser actually sticks to the events, some great questions and facts arise from it. Hauser points out the hypocrisy by Berto's side by saying people were attacking him but there was an effort to deny those tests from coming positive along as possible. Lou Dibella wasn't informed by Golden Boy until after they started looking for replacements.

We saw this in Morales-Garcia too. Who knows if we would have found out about Morales testing positive if it weren't for Scott Hale, an owner of a small time boxing website?

GBP tried to delay Morales' tests to be put out there, as first noted by Eric Gomez. Gomez told Boxingscene that the rumor of Morales testing positive was absolutely false.

GBP also tried to delay the results of Morales' B samples from coming back until after the fight initially (Dan Rafael reported this). Morales was also tested 3 different A&B samples before USADA cleared him to fight!

If there was something that really needs to be taken away from this article, more so than Floyd's tests, is that there isn't enough transparency in drug testing.

Which leads me to my final point...

USADA blew a huge opportunity to help the sport and is as shady as GBP in this process

Back in 2010, Travis Tygart was engaging. He was willing to talk to media members. Even I, who isn't really known in the Boxing world, interviewed him twice (http://maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing...or-every-fight) .

Tygart openly engaged media members and boxing officials/promoters, how boxing needed better testing. To really have to a successful program, you needed transparency and better testing protocols.

While there may or may not be better testing protocols performed by USADA (who knows if they use CIR every time they test?), USADA really shit the bed when it came to positive tests and working with Golden Boy.

USADA gave Morales three different opportunities to test negative! When he finally did on the third test, which was unprecedented and shouldn't have happened, Morales was allowed to fight on. Morales' excuse of contaminated meat shouldn't have passed WADA protocol either. USADA failed to live up to their higher bodies protocol.

Instead they acted in Golden Boy's interest, they not only allowed Morales to fight but they even destroyed samples that were taken for Quillin Wright! When asked about this by other reporters, USADA has yet to return any calls.

What happened to the Travis Tygart who said this:

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We***8217;ve seen it in other professional sports in the US and to some extent in the Olympics but there has to be a crisis or there has to be leaders who do right for the purpose of doing the right thing,***8221; explained Tygart. ***8220;If the entire boxing world wants better drug testing, then you have to ask the question, ***8216;Why aren***8217;t they in place?***8217; It gets to the real reasons they don***8217;t want to do it because they don***8217;t want to take the risk (of cancelling fights)."
Wouldn't doing the right thing would have been cancelling a fight after testing positive?

Also it should be noted that Morales-Garcia was never announced as a fight that USADA was doing in the first place. It raises the question of how many other fights, like Floyd Mayweather in this case, could have tested positive but not come to light.

Why anyone would favor USADA over VADA is beyond me.

*Earlier I called Hauser an author instead of a journalist. The way he writes flows much more like a story than a newspaper piece It should be said instead of "says," which Hauser does repeatedly.

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Old 11-19-2012, 10:29 PM
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Pacquiao has a big head trumps the Chairman of the BWAA reporting three failed Mayweather drug tests.
he was born with a big head so that's not a rumor.

must be because his mom was taking peds when she was pregnant...now that's a rumor.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:31 PM
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Reading through this thread and wondering how many of you guys read the actual article. Especially those speaking on the Mayweather doping claims.

There was no source, citation or anything. Just a claim that a rumor circulated through the "Drug testing community" (whatever group that vague statements indicates).

The Quillin, Berto, and Morales allegations had references and quotes. But the biggest conversation point of the article is based on nothing but the writer's "rumors" that he "heard". Don't you think that if he had a legitimate source of evidence against Floyd, it would be present in the article? Of course it would. But it wasn't there.

But I'm not surprised to see so many people over the years jumping at the opportunity to call him a doper as if its an established fact. Buying into the whole villain/good guy script like some WWE teenage fans.
They just read the dumb ass thread title and ran with it.
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I think Floyd would never go back in the ring. He will retire for good. He's too dependent on peds. With all this scrutiny, no way he would get away with it next time.
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But at the end of the day who cares...floyd is da best ..pacquiao lost to a bum like bradley if I was a poocquiaochiao fan I'd be quiet
if bradley who was/is top 10 p4p a bum, then i guess diego corrales is a bum also right?

therefore floyd's best win is against a bum?
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USADA blew a huge opportunity to help the sport and is as shady as GBP in this process

Back in 2010, Travis Tygart was engaging. He was willing to talk to media members. Even I, who isn't really known in the Boxing world, interviewed him twice (http://maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing...or-every-fight) .

Tygart openly engaged media members and boxing officials/promoters, how boxing needed better testing. To really have to a successful program, you needed transparency and better testing protocols.

While there may or may not be better testing protocols performed by USADA (who knows if they use CIR every time they test?), USADA really shit the bed when it came to positive tests and working with Golden Boy.

USADA gave Morales three different opportunities to test negative! When he finally did on the third test, which was unprecedented and shouldn't have happened, Morales was allowed to fight on. Morales' excuse of contaminated meat shouldn't have passed WADA protocol either. USADA failed to live up to their higher bodies protocol.

Instead they acted in Golden Boy's interest, they not only allowed Morales to fight but they even destroyed samples that were taken for Quillin Wright! When asked about this by other reporters, USADA has yet to return any calls.

What happened to the Travis Tygart who said this:



Wouldn't doing the right thing would have been cancelling a fight after testing positive?

Also it should be noted that Morales-Garcia was never announced as a fight that USADA was doing in the first place. It raises the question of how many other fights, like Floyd Mayweather in this case, could have tested positive but not come to light.

Why anyone would favor USADA over VADA is beyond me.

*Earlier I called Hauser an author instead of a journalist. The way he writes flows much more like a story than a newspaper piece It should be said instead of "says," which Hauser does repeatedly.
Great point.
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