Ward vs Martinez - American Double Standard?

Fasttimes

Are we that desperate for a champ?

Ward beat top fighters. He beat the #1 guy in the division above the odds, he's the REAL DEAL. Froch, Bika

Martinez beats up CHAMP Pavlik on SHORT NOTICE, as a junior middleweight, and it gets changed to "he should have won anyways". KTFO of Williams, and "Williams isn't a real middle anyways" like Martinez is?

Ward beats top contenders, as does Martinez.

- Ward says "no" to Bute, Martinez says yes, to Chavez and whups his ass.

And Ward is the lock to the hall of fame?

STAX ON DECK

their both good but andre ward is just miles ahead in terms of skill and greatness. plus ward would outclass martinez on so many levels if they fought

ShoulderRoll

Ward has pretty much cleaned out his division. Sergio hasn't.

The Gambler1981

Ward also has about 10 years of quality left to add on to that, I guess the future is not certain but one has to figure Ward is going to get more done over the rest of his career than Sergio will. So if they are close of even if you rate Sergio a bit ahead, probability favors Ward chasing him down and surpassing him easily.

American's like gold medal winners also~

Fasttimes

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Originally Posted by STAX ON DECK

their both good but andre ward is just miles ahead in terms of skill and greatness. plus ward would outclass martinez on so many levels if they fought

Worst logic. If Pudwill can DROP, and beat Ward than Martinez sure can.

Fasttimes

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Originally Posted by ShoulderRoll

Ward has pretty much cleaned out his division. Sergio hasn't.

Wha? Who was Martinez supposed to beat before they became hof'ers ...,

ShoulderRoll

Martinez could have fought Sturm. Right now he can fight Pirog, Geale, or Golovkin.

paulf

Dude, I am the biggest Martinez fan, but come one.

Martinez didn't/hasn't fight: Geale, Strum, Pirog, Golovkin, Quillin.

I realize some of these fights were not his fault; no one but Pirog expressed interest in coming to America and fighting Sergio. Ward is early in his career and has cleaned out 168 pounds, and it looks like he's going to do the same thing once he hits '75.

STAX ON DECK

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Originally Posted by Fasttimes

Worst logic. If Pudwill can DROP, and beat Ward than Martinez sure can.

what????????

Mato o Muero

By the time Ward retires, he will have absolutely dominated two divisions. Martinez has never wiped out any division.

STAX ON DECK money cant buy happiness Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: where the paper keeps stackin and the haters keep hatin Posts: 338 Rep Power: 2 Points: 100,017,205.29 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 100,017,205.29 Donate	their both good but andre ward is just miles ahead in terms of skill and greatness. plus ward would outclass martinez on so many levels if they fought

ShoulderRoll Undisputed Champion Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,291 Rep Power: 26 Points: 19,345.39 Bank: 274,268,264,928.64 Total Points: 274,268,284,274.03 Donate	Ward has pretty much cleaned out his division. Sergio hasn't.

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paulf Undisputed Champion Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back In The USA! (Oklahoma) Posts: 9,117 Rep Power: 26 Points: 6,080,581,128.66 Bank: 130.51 Total Points: 6,080,581,259.17 Donate	Dude, I am the biggest Martinez fan, but come one. Martinez didn't/hasn't fight: Geale, Strum, Pirog, Golovkin, Quillin. I realize some of these fights were not his fault; no one but Pirog expressed interest in coming to America and fighting Sergio. Ward is early in his career and has cleaned out 168 pounds, and it looks like he's going to do the same thing once he hits '75.

Mato o Muero Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 754 Rep Power: 0 Points: 20,510.99 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 20,510.99 Donate	By the time Ward retires, he will have absolutely dominated two divisions. Martinez has never wiped out any division.