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Old 11-14-2012, 03:22 PM
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Dr. Grover Furr, an English professor at Montclair State University in New Jersey, told students that dictator Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Russia regime never murdered millions of people, contra popular belief.

“I have yet to find one crime — yet to find one crime — that Stalin committed,” Furr said. “I know they all say he killed 20, 30, 40 million people — it is bulls–t"




http://washingtonexaminer.com/your-t...9#.UKKhe4bpX1m

I'm guessing he doesn't think Mao, Pol Pot or Tito killed anyone either. He also seems to imply that Communism and Socialism are synonymous.
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My personal fav is how colleges/naive kids embrace che, completely unaware on the truth of the matter, and just how brutal and inhumane he was.

These are our 'educated' voters trololol
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Damn I agree with both of you.......
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My personal fav is how colleges/naive kids embrace che, completely unaware on the truth of the matter, and just how brutal and inhumane he was.

These are our 'educated' voters trololol
Few things annoy me more than teenagers who think they are cool because they support the alternative viewpoint I.E Communism.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:50 PM
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Few things annoy me more than teenagers who think they are cool because they support the alternative viewpoint I.E Communism.
Yeah, kids will be kids, but when colleges hang up/sell posters of him? That kind of stupidity makes me laugh.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:57 PM
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English professor questions historical orthodoxy. Theology professor questions evolution. This also took place during a debate in which he was taking up the "liberal" position.

Why are we paying any attention to this?
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:39 PM
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Curious that these guys are willing to destroy their careers for the sake of pride alone. It's not easy becoming a tenured professor. Unless you're Piggy, then you have to turn down the barrage of offers.
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Curious that these guys are willing to destroy their careers for the sake of pride alone. It's not easy becoming a tenured professor. Unless you're Piggy, then you have to turn down the barrage of offers.
I am already the Dean of the University of Planet Earth, the most important educational establishment in the GALAXY!
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English professor questions historical orthodoxy.
Is that the way you classify Holocaust deniers?

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Theology professor questions evolution.
Not comparable, but promoting intelligent design in a biology class tends to get you fired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Crocker

Or astronomy professor denied tenure for the same

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiller...8astronomer%29

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This also took place during a debate in which he was taking up the "liberal" position.
Really? That's your defense? Why don't we have a looksie at Professor Furr's politics and social issues webpage (from the college website)

These are the sites I have found most valuable in my struggle to understand the world: the class struggle; exploitation; and all the attendant horrors of capitalism, as well as in evaluating the successes and failures of the old Communist movement.

One of these is not like the other

http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/politics.html

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Why are we paying any attention to this?
Because I found it interesting, buttplug. Any more questions? Thank you for taking time out from your daily Christian and Republican/Conservative bashing to participate in my thread though.

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Is that the way you classify Holocaust deniers?
Actually it is. I oppose legislating against holocaust denial. History should be judged on the evidence, not on the offence it may cause to some group or other. Holocaust deniers are hopelessly wrong but so are 9/11 truthers, creationists and this English professor.

He was arguing against libertarians. I find their offence at his rewriting of history to fit the point he was debating to be laughably hypocritical.

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Not comparable, but promoting intelligent design in a biology class tends to get you fired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Crocker
I would expect a history teacher to be fired for promoting the notion that Stalin didn't kill anyone if this promotion was made in class to students. Teachers who knowingly teach demonstrably wrong information to students because of their political beliefs (and religion is a political belief, there is no distinction between them in my mind) should be fired. This should not be a controversial viewpoint.

This was not a history teacher in a history class though. It was an English professor in a debate setting.

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Really? That's your defense? Why don't we have a looksie at Professor Furr's politics and social issues webpage (from the college website)

These are the sites I have found most valuable in my struggle to understand the world: the class struggle; exploitation; and all the attendant horrors of capitalism, as well as in evaluating the successes and failures of the old Communist movement.

One of these is not like the other

http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/politics.html
He's still an English professor talking outside his field of expertise about an area influenced by his personal beliefs. Anyone is free to demonstrate why he is wrong.

I think the bigger issue for Americans is their continuing hang-up about Communism. I mean seriously, a professor at a State college who sympathises with the political Left? OH MY GOD THE COLD WAR IS BACK ON.

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Because I found it interesting, buttplug. Any more questions? Thank you for taking time out from your daily Christian and Republican/Conservative bashing to participate in my thread though.
Fair enough but only my wife gets to call me buttplug. Oh and some of her friends.

I'm just not understanding the outrage.
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