Should Wladimir be warned more for holding? - Page 2

LA_2_Vegas

Yes he should... he gets a pass on it because it's something he implemented into his game to improve himself and has gotten good results because of it. It's looked at as a "smart" strategic adjustment and not perceived as negatively as it probably should be.

Rip Chudd

No he shouldn't because he's white. You can only bring up holding when it pertains to black fighters on this site apparently.

Skittlez

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Originally Posted by LA_2_Vegas

Yes he should... he gets a pass on it because it's something he implemented into his game to improve himself and has gotten good results because of it. It's looked at as a "smart" strategic adjustment and not perceived as negatively as it probably should be.

That's a pretty good analysis.

Mike Haynes

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Originally Posted by LA_2_Vegas

Yes he should... he gets a pass on it because it's something he implemented into his game to improve himself and has gotten good results because of it. It's looked at as a "smart" strategic adjustment and not perceived as negatively as it probably should be.

Excellent post. This applies to Andre Ward also.

COYG

This and how he just stick his left hand in his opponents face, he aint trowing no punch just using it to keep his opponent from getting in on the inside. I'm pretty sure that's illegal?

Skittlez

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Originally Posted by Mike Haynes

Excellent post. This applies to Andre Ward also.

Go watch Ward-Froch. Round 4,5, and 9. Ward gets close and clinches too much, the ref automatically pushes him away.

Taylor vs Pavlik. Taylor holds mid rounds, Ref pushes him and say 'stop it Jermaine, stop it now'

I'm not saying that it will change the outcome of every single Wlad fight, but Wlad have no inside game and zero inside fighting, that is a giant attribute missing from his arsenal that other fighters could have taken full advantage of if the refs in Germany were more strict.

Case in point:

Wladimir vs Lamont Brewster.
He clinches prior to the first kd, he holds on and instead of fighting he just grips Brewster. Ref roughly pushes him apart, he tries to hold again, gets pushed apart again..

He stops holding, BAM Brewster hits him with a giant hook and that was all she wrote.

If the ref who did the Haye fight was working the Brewster fight, Wlad might have just excessive clinch his way to a UD.

DeadLikeMe

only in the fights where ****ing all he does is paw the jab, paw the jab, lean on them. It is terrible and he absolutely should get warned for it. Point deductions likely wouldn't be necessary unless he continued at an obscene rate.

Dudley

Hopkins was warned in round 6 for excessive holing lol and the dude kept doign it he should have been Dq'ed lol oh manthat was such a ****ty fight hops should have lost bigtime!

i think there were upwards of 150 holds in that fight my gawd it was terrible!

Chuckguy

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Originally Posted by Skittlez

He didn't hold much against Wach (For his standards) mainly because Wach was a standing punching bag.

But I noticed Wladimir excessively holds and clinches against the vast majority of his opponents. He never even got warned since the Peter I fight.

I just watched a lot of Lewis fights, Ward fights, Mayweather fights.
I can't help but notice the refs in America and refs in England tend to break up the holding and warn fighters regarding excessive holding.

Lewis- Tyson. Lennox got a point taken away. Etc.

I honestly feel that holding is part of Wladimir's comfort zone. If you take that away, you take away a huge part of what makes him comfortable as a fighter. This is vital. Imagine David Haye fighting Wlad on the inside. Maybe Wlad will freak out and go into panic mode.

I'm not saying Wlad should get DQED but at least some warning?
I haven't seen Wlad warned once. He was only warned against Samuel Peter I in the United States.

And what a concidence? He was floored multiple times in that fight and looked extremely shaky.

NO! he needs to be deducted points for it. One thing is hold but another is holding and hitting and that is exactly what he does, but the illegal tactic that gets to me worst is the way he sticks his left hand out and leaves it resting on his opponents head measuring it to throw his right
that ish is totally illegal and he should be warned and deducted points for that too
the sad thing is that he doesnt need to do neither to win but he still does. I gues if you can get away with it why not right?
oh well thats just my op

Own3d

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Originally Posted by Dudley

Hopkins was warned in round 6 for excessive holing lol and the dude kept doign it he should have been Dq'ed lol oh manthat was such a ****ty fight hops should have lost bigtime!

i think there were upwards of 150 holds in that fight my gawd it was terrible!

In the Klitschko v Mormeck fight Wlad held 41 times in 3 rounds.

View Poll Results: Should Wladimir at least be warned regarding his excessive holding.
He should be DQED	9	24.32%
DQ is too harsh, but he should be warned and have points taken off	16	43.24%
Nah. It's fine.	12	32.43%
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LA_2_Vegas Undisputed Champion Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,743 Rep Power: 9 Points: 501,335,828.51 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 501,335,828.51 Donate	Yes he should... he gets a pass on it because it's something he implemented into his game to improve himself and has gotten good results because of it. It's looked at as a "smart" strategic adjustment and not perceived as negatively as it probably should be.

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COYG Contender Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 166 Rep Power: 4 Points: 1,678,518.19 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 1,678,518.19 Donate	This and how he just stick his left hand in his opponents face, he aint trowing no punch just using it to keep his opponent from getting in on the inside. I'm pretty sure that's illegal?

DeadLikeMe #1 Troll Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5,009 Rep Power: 50 Points: 1,896,635,016.04 Bank: 1,002,309,808,484.68 Total Points: 1,004,206,443,500.72 Donate	only in the fights where ****ing all he does is paw the jab, paw the jab, lean on them. It is terrible and he absolutely should get warned for it. Point deductions likely wouldn't be necessary unless he continued at an obscene rate.

Dudley Interim Champion Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 859 Rep Power: 4 Points: 110,101,031.62 Bank: 1,343.86 Total Points: 110,102,375.48 Donate	Winky vs Hopkins Hopkins was warned in round 6 for excessive holing lol and the dude kept doign it he should have been Dq'ed lol oh manthat was such a ****ty fight hops should have lost bigtime! i think there were upwards of 150 holds in that fight my gawd it was terrible!