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Old 11-08-2012, 10:16 AM
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He is thinking he wants to fight the best and get paid a lot of money for doing it. Is this not what we want from our fighters to fight the best?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:23 AM
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He only has a punchers chance, so a fight or two prior to a fight with Ward won't really help. He should take the money now. He could lose to Rodriguez or Kessler before he even got a shot at Ward.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:01 AM
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Cashing out?

Hey you never know he could land the big shot and stop Ward, no one is superhuman.

He is right to take the money and the exposure imo.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:34 AM
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I rather see Pavlik vs Abraham, Bute, Kessler or Froch. I think those match ups would be more action packed than he fighting Ward
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:38 AM
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Ward wanted a easy fight.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:40 AM
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He is thinking he wants to fight the best and get paid a lot of money for doing it. Is this not what we want from our fighters to fight the best?
the problem is you cant just go from fighting D- level fighters to A+ level fighters. especially considering the problems ward present stylisticly.

pavlik hasnt fought a top fighter since 2010 when he lost bcuz he still couldnt handle the movement martinez was giving him. leading up to that fight he had been fighting C level fighters since losing to hopkins where he also couldnt handle the movement.

now hes fighting another top fighter who will be presenting him with lots of lateral movement and again hes been fighting nothing but weak opposition tailor made for him stylisticly.

if pavlik wanted to beat ward he would have fought better fighters not to mention fighters who could box, move and force him to solve their style. but doing that wouldnt earn him much more money than fighting bums and if he lost or looked bad the big paydays would go away.

thats all pavlik wants, a payday. hes been sitting on his ass waiting for one and now hes getting it. but he hasnt put himself in a position to win which is something i also want from a fighter.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:04 PM
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the problem is you cant just go from fighting D- level fighters to A+ level fighters. especially considering the problems ward present stylisticly.

pavlik hasnt fought a top fighter since 2010 when he lost bcuz he still couldnt handle the movement martinez was giving him. leading up to that fight he had been fighting C level fighters since losing to hopkins where he also couldnt handle the movement.

now hes fighting another top fighter who will be presenting him with lots of lateral movement and again hes been fighting nothing but weak opposition tailor made for him stylisticly.

if pavlik wanted to beat ward he would have fought better fighters not to mention fighters who could box, move and force him to solve their style. but doing that wouldnt earn him much more money than fighting bums and if he lost or looked bad the big paydays would go away.

thats all pavlik wants, a payday. hes been sitting on his ass waiting for one and now hes getting it. but he hasnt put himself in a position to win which is something i also want from a fighter.
you'd have a better point, maybe if A) he didn't sign with garcia and be in california working his ass off (clearly)
and b) fight will rosinsky which is the exact type of fighter you are saying pavlik hasn't fought. rosinsky can box a bit
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:32 PM
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Cashing out?

Hey you never know he could land the big shot and stop Ward, no one is superhuman.

He is right to take the money and the exposure imo.
The Problem is Pavlik is not a 1 punch guy. He beats guys up with hard heavy hands. The Problem is he can only land them against someone in front of him. He has slow legs and cannot reset fast enough.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:44 PM
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Pavlik is out of his mind. E-Rod, Chavez, Abraham, Froch, are all great fight's he should be thinking about right now. Andre Ward? that's just career suicide.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:07 PM
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I'm one of hte few posters who likes Pavlik, and think he's a better boxer than he's credited for.

But fighting Andre Ward for his next fight is a stupid move. I mean, I give him all the props in the world going directly for the best boxer in the division, and I imagine HBO/Showtime will be willing to pay him at, or near seven figures. . .

But don't you guys think he could another fight on HBO/Showtime against a much better opponent (stylistically). . . Like Edwin Rodriguez?

Or even traveling to Europe to fight Kessler (should he beat Magee), or Abraham. . Or trying to lure Degale over to USA, or ****, going to England to fight him?

It'd be better to preserve his career by beating one of those guys (which I think he absolutely has a good chance of beating all those boxers I mentioned), getting paid not quite as much, but still good. . AND THEN (if he wins), go after Ward?
He's not trying to have a serious career at 168, he just wants to cash out. His team probably thinks he's emotionally unstable and they just wanna get a big payday while they still can. They're dealing with a guy who can get arrested for a DUI or end up in rehab at any moment.
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