What do you think of people who commit suicide?

[Mugicha]

Originally Posted by The_Bringer

There's absolutely nothing wrong with admitting that. I can't speak for everybody, but I think fearing death is human nature. From the moment we begin learning about ourselves and the world around us, we are given the knowledge that our existence will eventually end, and we're the only creatures on the planet who are consciously aware of that fact.

Whether it's a blessing or a curse depends on your perspective, I guess.

As for led's previous post about me saying that I'd die by suicide in another thread, he's not being entirely truthful. I said that I can almost guarantee that my death will come as the result of an accident, or via suicide.

I can't rule out the possibility that I'll be in a car wreck or some other random accident which will claim my life, but outside of that occuring I can guarantee that my life will be ended by my own hands, on my own terms.

I've watched people succumb to disease up close and wither away over a period of years, losing physical abilities and mental capacity in the process to the point where their existence hinged upon the actions of others. They were essentially dead for all intents and purposes, outside of a simple heart beat keeping them afloat.

I came to the decision that I'll never let myself deteriorate to that point a long time ago. Losing control of my ability to care for myself or think cognitively is something I will make damn sure I never have to experience. I wouldn't want the misery it would bring upon myself, or the buden which it would place upon the people I love.

And since there's a very high likelihood that if I live long enough I'll be infected with one or more diseases with the capability of robbing me of such functions, it's very likely that outside of an accident I'll be the one who decides when I've had enough.

There are ways to take care of yourself. Don't consume too many sugars so as to avoid diabetes. Regular exercise staves off many, many illnesses. Study a foreign language. This is a check on degenerative brain diseases. Look it up, it is quite fascinating, but it is true.

I have seen people who live to very old ages, and are cognitive all the way through. My grandmother is 93 or so. I just called her up not too long ago, she's still going strong.

[Chups]

Originally Posted by Cuauhtémoc1520

That statement is cowardly and stupid.

To generalize why people commit suicide is as ridiculous as to why people fall in love. It's for different reasons, some physical, some emotional, and many because of mental issues.

One thing I can say is that the older I have gotten, the less I really know about life. I have done things I thought I would never do.

It's not a stupid statement when you use that statement to teach your own kids. Instead of telling them "You know it takes balls to commit suicide! It's not cowardly or stupid, in fact I'll understand you if in case you do it"

[Mugicha]

Originally Posted by wood1985

There was a conference here in Edinburgh today that was discussing assisted suicide for those who can't end their own life.

If I were ever in a vegetative state I'd want to die.

I'll post a link to a guy who was heavily discussed at the conference as his wife is one of the campaigners. Felt terrible seeing him on tv. He died a few days after he lost his case.

He was fully mentally aware but couldn't move his body. Must have been terrible.

I think they should allow assisted suicide in the uk. There are people who travel to Switzerland to die and pay thousands when they just want to die at home with loved ones.

I agree with assisted suicide in cases where someone is in intense pain.

The catch: It actually happens all the time, by morphine overdose, etc.

[The_Bringer]

Originally Posted by Nodogoshi

Have you ever faced a parent who's child just committed suicide?

I have, at least twice. Once it was the mother of my good friend.

If you did, it would change your perspective on this, I think.

I haven't, but I honestly doubt it'd change my perspective whatsoever.

Sure, I'd feel sympathetic to the grieving parent(s) - Most people would. I can't imagine how bad that must suck. However, if the circumstances motivating the suicide were what I deemed to be justifiable (as in not over something trivial), I can't envision it changing my mind about the issue just because the loved ones were saddened by it. The cold reality is that when it becomes easier for a person to die than it is for them to live, that person is better off dead.

Expecting someone else to live out their life in misery out of some obligation you feel they have to your life is just a concept I simply cannot (and will not) comprehend.

[The_Bringer]

Originally Posted by Nodogoshi

There are ways to take care of yourself. Don't consume too many sugars so as to avoid diabetes. Regular exercise staves off many, many illnesses. Study a foreign language. This is a check on degenerative brain diseases. Look it up, it is quite fascinating, but it is true.

I have seen people who live to very old ages, and are cognitive all the way through. My grandmother is 93 or so. I just called her up not too long ago, she's still going strong.

I agree, but there's much more to it than simply eating right and exercising. There are genetic factors at play, as well. Some of which we'll be lucky enough to know about early enough to act to stop them, and others which we won't be aware of until it's entirely too late.

You can do everything in your power to live a clean, healthy, and even monastic lifestyle, but all that you do can only help so much. It's not that black and white.

[-Kev-]

Originally Posted by Uturn

I use to think that people that commit suicide are weak people, but having worked in hospitals, I've changed my perception. No one knows about peoples hardships and what they are going through in life. It depends on the circumstances, but for some people, they feel their isn't a way out so the only option is to kill themselves. Sometimes the only way out is to commit suicide for some people.

That's true. There's people that go through things emotionally, they are just living a bad life, financially, or have no home or are about to lose it or some problem like that, romantically too lol.

Then there's people who go through things physically, they were given an abnormal life. They get a disease at a young age that they couldn't stop from getting, they become ill at a young age and feel like ending their life. These people would happily trade places with those I mentioned in the first sentence of my post. They rather go through hardships that can be overcome, rather than those that are like "Oh well, that's it, we can't cure this, you're f-cked. Here just take these meds for the rest of your life to just treat your illnesses".

[Mugicha]

Originally Posted by The_Bringer

I haven't, but I honestly doubt it'd change my perspective whatsoever.

Sure, I'd feel sympathetic to the grieving parent(s) - Most people would. I can't imagine how bad that must suck. However, if the circumstances motivating the suicide were what I deemed to be justifiable (as in not over something trivial), I can't envision it changing my mind about the issue just because the loved ones were saddened by it. The cold reality is that when it becomes easier for a person to die than it is for them to live, that person is better off dead.

Expecting someone else to live out their life in misery out of some obligation you feel they have to your life is just a concept I simply cannot (and will not) comprehend.

It isn't just being saddened by it. They (the parents) are also the ones who probably have to clean up the mess you left.

[Mugicha]

Originally Posted by The_Bringer

I agree, but there's much more to it than simply eating right and exercising. There are genetic factors at play, as well. Some of which we'll be lucky enough to know about early enough to act to stop them, and others which we won't be aware of until it's entirely too late.

You can do everything in your power to live a clean, healthy, and even monastic lifestyle, but all that you do can only help so much. It's not that black and white.

Never said it was black and white. The point was that there are indeed proactive steps one can take.

Of course, we all know of the person who seemingly did everything right, nevertheless to die young of say cancer.

[The_Bringer]

Originally Posted by Nodogoshi

It isn't just being saddened by it. They (the parents) are also the ones who probably have to clean up the mess you left.

What if you have no parents? Then it's okay?

[kadyo]