LOL: Check out this video ! (Time Mark: 22min) Andre Ward admits it:

[raskat]

Go to time mark 22 minutes of this video (link below) and watch what Andre Ward says: he wont fight Martinez cause Martinez asked him to go down in weight OR fight at a 164 pounds catchweight. Ward answers he cant make 160 and not even 164, but if he WOULD make it, he wouldnt be strong at that weight anymore. But at the same time he makes Dawson come down to 168?? And then Ward says he will move to light heavyweight soon. If he moves up soon, he could have fought Dawson at 175 anyways.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xts...pisode-3_sport

[Tim Horton]

Dawson challenged him at 168. He got what he wanted...sort of.

[raskat]

Originally Posted by Timothy Horton

Dawson challenged him at 168. He got what he wanted...sort of.

actually he did not challenge him at 168. at first he said at LHW or at a catchweight, then Max Kellerman said Ward is only a super middleweight, and then Dawson said he might move down to 168. but at first he didnt want that, he just didnt want to sound like a coward when calling out a smaller guy.

[Tim Horton]

Originally Posted by raskat

actually he did not challenge him at 168. at first he said at LHW or at a catchweight, then Max Kellerman said Ward is only a super middleweight, and then Dawson said he might move down to 168. but at first he didnt want that, he just didnt want to sound like a coward when calling out a smaller guy.

thanks for the correction, i don't remember exactly what was said. i just remember concluding "damn, Dawson has nuts to be going down to 168".

[#1Assassin]

how slow are you ppl? ward didnt force dawson to do anything, will you ever get that through your thick skulls?

dawson wanted to move down in weight so he could make a bigger statement and become a two division champion, all ward did was accept the challenge. you dont force a champion to move up or down in weight, martinez cant force ward and ward cant force him. if you challenge a champion you go after them. ward hasnt been calling martinez or dawson out, they want him they will have to go get him. thats what dawson did, a mistake perhaps but one that cant possibly be blamed on ward.

[Tim Horton]

Originally Posted by #1Assassin

how slow are you ppl? ward didnt force dawson to do anything, will you ever get that through your thick skulls?

dawson wanted to move down in weight so he could make a bigger statement and become a two division champion, all ward did was accept the challenge. you dont force a champion to move up or down in weight, martinez cant force ward and ward cant force him. if you challenge a champion you go after them. ward hasnt been calling martinez or dawson out, they want him they will have to go get him. thats what dawson did, a mistake perhaps but one that cant possibly be blamed on ward.

you people? who are you talking to? lol

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Originally Posted by #1Assassin

how slow are you ppl? ward didnt force dawson to do anything, will you ever get that through your thick skulls?

dawson wanted to move down in weight so he could make a bigger statement and become a two division champion, all ward did was accept the challenge. you dont force a champion to move up or down in weight, martinez cant force ward and ward cant force him. if you challenge a champion you go after them. ward hasnt been calling martinez or dawson out, they want him they will have to go get him. thats what dawson did, a mistake perhaps but one that cant possibly be blamed on ward.

Dawson moved down cos he had to. Cos 175 is a ghost town and 168 is where the money is.

[raskat]

Originally Posted by #1Assassin

how slow are you ppl? ward didnt force dawson to do anything, will you ever get that through your thick skulls?

dawson wanted to move down in weight so he could make a bigger statement and become a two division champion, all ward did was accept the challenge. you dont force a champion to move up or down in weight, martinez cant force ward and ward cant force him. if you challenge a champion you go after them. ward hasnt been calling martinez or dawson out, they want him they will have to go get him. thats what dawson did, a mistake perhaps but one that cant possibly be blamed on ward.

well there are still lots of Ward fan(boys) who claim Ward beat a 100% fit Chad Dawson. If Ward was a fair fighter (which he never was), he would have fought Dawson at least at a catchweight. and now he admits he wouldnt even fight Martinez at a catchweight. if you cant see Ward's true colors now, ur clearly a Ward fanboy. Period

[#1Assassin]

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler UK

Dawson moved down cos he had to. Cos 175 is a ghost town and 168 is where the money is.

dawson made 600k fighting ward, that could easily have been matched or surpassed at 175. he moved down, went to oakland and took **** money bcuz he wanted to fight the best p4p fighter possible and at his best in order to send a real statement around the boxing world. dawson never backed down from a challenge and he laways looked for the biggest fights. 175 is far from a ghost town btw. 168 is perhaps the best division in boxing but there are some good fights at 175 for chad, fights that would earn him more than the ward fight did.

Originally Posted by raskat

well there are still lots of Ward fan(boys) who claim Ward beat a 100% fit Chad Dawson. If Ward was a fair fighter (which he never was), he would have fought Dawson at least at a catchweight. and now he admits he wouldnt even fight Martinez at a catchweight. if you cant see Ward's true colors now, ur clearly a Ward fanboy. Period

a catchweight would be the worst possible scenario, even worse than the fight not happening at all. imagine if ward beat dawson at a catchweight, he would have taken his belt. dawson as a 175lb champion wouldnt be allowed to be 175lbs and could still lose his title. thats unfair, in addition to being a disgrace to boxing and the LHW title!

dawson challenged a 168lb champion at 168lbs, nothing wrong with that. he chose himself to drop down in weight so he could make a statement and win a title in a second weightclass, nothing wrong with that either. if it was a miscalculation on his part it was just that, on his part. it doesnt have anything to do with ward and cant be blamed on him in any way.

we have 16 weightclasses and up to 5 "champions" in each one, wtf do we need catchweights for? you want to bury this sport? catchweights are a way to win titles in multiple weightclasses without making the necessary sacrifice. you are supposed to be at a disadvantage when you move up/down in weight to face a champion, thats what makes it so impressive when you win. catchweights is all politics, a way to manipulate the system and fool ppl you have a more impressive legacy than you really do.

dawson aint about that, hes old school. he wants a challenge, he wants to make a statement. they did it the old school way, at the real limit without making a mockery of the title and the sport. dawson was the one who called ward out and as a result hes the one who went to wards weightclass, it shouldnt be any other way.

[raskat]

Originally Posted by #1Assassin

dawson made 600k fighting ward, that could easily have been matched or surpassed at 175. he moved down, went to oakland and took **** money bcuz he wanted to fight the best p4p fighter possible and at his best in order to send a real statement around the boxing world. dawson never backed down from a challenge and he laways looked for the biggest fights. 175 is far from a ghost town btw. 168 is perhaps the best division in boxing but there are some good fights at 175 for chad, fights that would earn him more than the ward fight did.



a catchweight would be the worst possible scenario, even worse than the fight not happening at all. imagine if ward beat dawson at a catchweight, he would have taken his belt. dawson as a 175lb champion wouldnt be allowed to be 175lbs and could still lose his title. thats unfair, in addition to being a disgrace to boxing and the LHW title!

dawson challenged a 168lb champion at 168lbs, nothing wrong with that. he chose himself to drop down in weight so he could make a statement and win a title in a second weightclass, nothing wrong with that either. if it was a miscalculation on his part it was just that, on his part. it doesnt have anything to do with ward and cant be blamed on him in any way.

we have 16 weightclasses and up to 5 "champions" in each one, wtf do we need catchweights for? you want to bury this sport? catchweights are a way to win titles in multiple weightclasses without making the necessary sacrifice. you are supposed to be at a disadvantage when you move up/down in weight to face a champion, thats what makes it so impressive when you win. catchweights is all politics, a way to manipulate the system and fool ppl you have a more impressive legacy than you really do.

dawson aint about that, hes old school. he wants a challenge, he wants to make a statement. they did it the old school way, at the real limit without making a mockery of the title and the sport. dawson was the one who called ward out and as a result hes the one who went to wards weightclass, it shouldnt be any other way.

not long ago, you sounded like this: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...t#post12386341
so a catchweight is wrong cause it drains a fighter, but making a guy come down a whole weight class is suddenly right? dude you sound contradictory