Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Boxing History
View Poll Results: How Did You Score Juan Manuel Marquez vs Chris John?
For Marquez (Wide) 4 57.14%
For Marquez (Close) 1 14.29%
A Draw 0 0%
For John (Wide) 0 0%
For John (Close) 2 28.57%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
Thread Navigation

#1
Old 08-21-2012, 11:10 AM
JK1700
Boxing Virtuoso
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: England
Age: 20
Posts: 3,484
Rep Power: 12 JK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,058,141.59
Bank: 6,315,601,074.64
Total Points: 6,319,659,216.23
keep up the good work champ - Atreyu Khalil Cheers! - dan_cov 
Default Juan Manuel Marquez vs Chris John - An Absolute Disgrace

I watched it for the first time recently having read and heard conflicting views about it in the past, and I was suprised how it went (because a lot of people have hinted and claimed that Marquez legitimately lost) and felt absolutley disgusted when the decision was announced. I thought that Marquez almost completely dominated the fight and very clearly won despite having two points deducted (wrongly, in my view). Basically the fight was almost the same for all 12 rounds, Marquez was pressing the attack, coming forward and controlling the tempo, landing more punches, landing better punches and landing harder punches. John was very inactive and got hit a lot, and when he tried to let his hands go, he missed and got countered almost every time. I don't understand how he can be happy with this "victory". I have seen a lot of controversial and bad decisions and I view this as one of the Top 5 worst decisions I have seen.

Here's my scorecard :

Round 1 - Marquez
Round 2 - Marquez
Round 3 - Marquez (Close)
Round 4 - Marquez
Round 5 - Marquez
Round 6 - Marquez
Round 7 - Marquez
Round 8 - Marquez
Round 9 - Marquez
Round 10 - John (10-8)
Round 11 - John
Round 12 - Marquez

Final scorecard - 117-110 (10-2-0) for Marquez

I only scored the 11th round 10-9 for John because I thought that outside of the deduction, he lost the round. I could have given him a 10-8 round there and it wouldn't have been too ridiculous to do so, but I also think I could easily have scored the 10th round 10-9 because that round was close enough to go either way, and I didn't. Overall, just a terrible decision in my eyes. Especially when you look at how the judges scored it, they all had John winning by 4-6 points and that's just criminal. Maybe they got the scorecards mixed up and gave it to the wrong guy? I don't know, but I can't believe that an investigation wasn't done following this fight, because in addition to the highly suspect judging, I also thought the referee was heavily biased towards John and against Marquez. It says a lot about how much of a class act J.M.M. is that I haven't even noticed him comment about this decision, nevermind complain about it, he just took it on the chin and kept things moving. Contrast that with his overrated brother, who whinged and moaned about a decision that wasn't even remotely close to being as controversial as this one. If I wanted to be super-generous then maybe I could've found a way to score it close, but I don't see how any honest and intelligent person can or could score it for John. Even if you score every competitive round for him, he should still lose. I could see 4 rounds for him, max. It wasn't even close in my eyes.

What do you think? I'm curious to know what others think about this bout.

Poll coming.

Last edited by JK1700; 08-21-2012 at 11:16 AM.
Reply With Quote
JK1700 is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#2
Old 08-21-2012, 02:02 PM
SBleeder
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Indiana
Age: 33
Posts: 2,853
Rep Power: 16 SBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond reputeSBleeder has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 10,005,272,320.08
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 10,005,272,320.08
for being a heavyweight in history section - led wipe your dirty mouth - -Ironmike- I heard you like men - -Ironmike- The &amp;quot;I hate Tyson&amp;quot; award of the year - -Ironmike- Good posts. - Barnburner 
No Message - -jose- 
Default

I'm a huge Chris John fan, but a fan of Marquez as well.

I remember giving John at least 6 or 7 rounds, not including the point deductions.
Reply With Quote
SBleeder is offline
#3
Old 08-21-2012, 04:15 PM
Boxing Bob
Mexico = GOAT :mexico1:
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,664
Rep Power: 0 Boxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these partsBoxing Bob is infamous around these parts
Points: 5,035,998.14
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 5,035,998.14
Default

I've heard it both ways, guess I'm gonna have to watch it, I'll get back to ya
Reply With Quote
Boxing Bob is offline
#4
Old 08-21-2012, 04:17 PM
dan_cov
Graceful God Golovkin
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 13,035
Rep Power: 58 dan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond reputedan_cov has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,999,785,018.93
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,999,785,018.93
have a happy and safe new years Mr. dan cov - jose830 Top bloke - Aztec Wanker Great Poster!!! - E.P.T. all aboard the rigo train!!! great poster. - Barnburner victory is sweet , rigotard and proud!! - HUGH JASS 
Dan the Man, the High Priest of the Cult of Rigo - CubanGuyNYC Cheers to you, my friend! Rigo rules! - CubanGuyNYC Cult of Rigo!!! For Life!!!!!! We Here Baby!!! - Cubanborn87 Super BScene member! - jazluvr WAR GODtthysse!!!! - thuggery 
:beerchug: - jose830 thank you good sir - thuggery Thanks man - Jloro dan_cov makes Boxingscene a better place - valero Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!! - mathed 
Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!! - mathed Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!! - mathed thanks - DannYankee09 p4p poster.  Thank you for keeping it 100% - damit305 you have great predictions - here's an apple to sustain that brain power - jas 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ƒallenloki Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - ƒallenloki Cesarean Sections - Headaches - Hospice Care - Multiple Myeloma - ƒallenloki Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - codey Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - Daniel Alpha 
Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Daniel Alpha Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - codey Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - codey Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - codey Eating Disorders - Esophageal Cancer - Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease - Irritable Bowel Syndrome - Pulmonary Hypertension - codey 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - jose830 World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- 
Default

I think I had Chris John winning a close fight. In fact I'm sure I did.
Reply With Quote
dan_cov is online now
#5
Old 08-22-2012, 08:02 AM
JK1700
Boxing Virtuoso
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: England
Age: 20
Posts: 3,484
Rep Power: 12 JK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,058,141.59
Bank: 6,315,601,074.64
Total Points: 6,319,659,216.23
keep up the good work champ - Atreyu Khalil Cheers! - dan_cov 
Default

I will soon be ready and willing to watch this fight again and re-evaluate it, as I was quite tired and had been drinking a bit the day that I saw it, so please tell me which rounds you guys gave to John, so that I can watch them closely, because I found it difficult to give him more than 1. The 10th was the only round that I thought he won clearly, aside from that, I thought Marquez won almost all of them. John was landing more jabs, i'll give you that, but that alone doesn't win you a fight, he seemed to be taking hard right hands and body punches almost every time he opened up. I just don't see the logic in scoring it for Chris. Marquez threw more punches, landed more punches and landed the harder punches.

Last edited by JK1700; 08-22-2012 at 08:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
JK1700 is offline
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
absolute, chris, disgrace, john, juan, manuel, marquez

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright © 2003-2013 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:55 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.