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Old 08-03-2012, 01:57 AM
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not quite. somewhere around 13-16
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:36 AM
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I wouldn't say top ten but his resume outweights todays lot in my opinion.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:14 AM
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Just think of Robinson, Louis, Ali, Armstrong, Langford, Moore, Charles (best LH ever and H Ch.), Duran and we’re already almost all the way to 10. No. But there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s in the top 20…
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:09 AM
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Just think of Robinson, Louis, Ali, Armstrong, Langford, Moore, Charles (best LH ever and H Ch.), Duran and we***8217;re already almost all the way to 10. No. But there***8217;s no doubt in my mind that he***8217;s in the top 20***8230;
How about (in no particular order).....

Benny Leonard
Ray Leonard
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans
Roy Jones
Eder Jofre
Charley Burley
Marvin Hagler
Jimmy Wilde
Willie Pepp
Carlos Monzon
Alexis Arguello
Bob Fitzsimmons
Carlos Ortiz
Sandy Sadler
Salvador Sanchez
Jeff Chandler
Pascual Perez
Kid Gavilan
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Thomas Hearns
Emile Griffith
Antonio Cervantes
Wilfred Benitez
Jose Napoles
Bernard Hopkins
Harry Greb
Holman Williams
Mickey Walker
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Michael Spinks
Archie Moore
Gene Tunney
Ricardo Lopez

Just off the top of my head. See the kind of competition you're looking at when you're talking top-20 or even top-50 p4p all-time? Who do you drop to get Chavez in? And the thing is, I'm probably leaving out a number of names worthy of consideration simply because I'm tired and can't think of any more at the moment.

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Old 08-04-2012, 04:23 AM
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Poet, Chavez was one of the two best fighters in the world for close to 10 years. A 4 division champion (let***8217;s make it two for what things were like in the past). He also was the most active champion of his era by far, and went 86 fights without a defeat. He was one of the best body punchers ever and is very probably the best Mexican fighter ever. He has beaten amongst many others Ruben Castillo, Roger Mayweather, Juan Laporte, Rocky Lockridge, Sammy Fuentes, Rafael Limon, Mario Martinez, Greg Haugen, Hector Camacho, Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez, Meldrick Taylor (yes! he did!). Do I think he should fit in there? ***8230;yeah! I do.
In my opinion, Chavez should be ranked at the bottom of a top 20. For argument***8217;s sake, I could accept to see him at 25 or maybe even at 30, but I think it***8217;s ridiculous to give in for that present fashion in denigrating the accomplishment of that great champion. That***8217;s one thing I don***8217;t like with us, boxing fans, at times: I find we***8217;re a bit too fast on criticizing people who have given us so much passion at such a high price. I suggest we don***8217;t do that for Julio Cesar Chavez, and not anymore for any great champion.
Besides did you intended to say Bob Fitzimon was better? really?

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Old 08-04-2012, 04:34 AM
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Poet, Chavez was one of the two best fighters in the world for close to 10 years. A 4 division champion (let’s make it two for what things were like in the past). He also was the most active champion of his era by far, and went 86 fights without a defeat. He was one of the best body punchers ever and is very probably the best Mexican fighter ever. He has beaten amongst many others Ruben Castillo, Roger Mayweather, Juan Laporte, Rocky Lockridge, Sammy Fuentes, Rafael Limon, Mario Martinez, Greg Haugen, Hector Camacho, Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez, Meldrick Taylor (yes! he did!). Do I think he should fit in there? …yeah! I do.
In my opinion, Chavez should be ranked at the bottom of a top 20. For argument’s sake, I could accept to see him at 25 or maybe even at 30, but I think it’s ridiculous to give in for that present fashion in denigrating the accomplishment of that great champion. That’s one thing I don’t like with us, boxing fans, at times: I find we’re a bit too fast on criticizing people who have given us so much passion at such a high price. I suggest we don’t do that for Julio Cesar Chavez, and not anymore for any great champion.
Ok, now, there was nothing in my post denigrating Chavez. I'm simply pointing out how stacked a top-20 to top-50 really is. For some reason it seems to fashionable to see a ranking of fighter someone likes as "dissing" said fighter by not ranking them in a bracket suitably high enough for that fan's liking. The truth is, there's a lot of competition for those top-20, top-50, top-100 slots. Are you going to denigrate the accomplishments and abilities of those fighters you drop? That's a pretty stacked list I gave. Everyone of those fighters has a legit claim for top-20 to top-50 status. Given how great those fighters are how is it somehow shameful to Chavez for any of those names to be ranked ahead of him?

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Old 08-04-2012, 03:06 PM
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As a 140 lber, of course. In terms of overall, for any weight class? He isn't in the top 10. A lot of his greatness is based on longevity. Chavez definitely has his share of important names on his resume. But not enough to make him a top 10 guy. A lot of his wins came against so so contenders. Maybe not altogether bad fighters, but not guys who were special. He deserves his legendary status though.
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