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Understand first what is Trinity...
God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God. (See also, "Another Look at the Trinity")
Jesus, the Son, is one person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.
There is, though, an apparent separation of some functions among the members of the Godhead. For example, the Father chooses who will be saved (Eph. 1:4); the Son redeems them (Eph. 1:7); and the Holy Spirit seals them, (Eph. 1:13).
A further point of clarification is that God is not one person, the Father, with Jesus as a creation and the Holy Spirit as a force (Jehovah's Witnesses). Neither is He one person who took three consecutive forms, i.e., the Father, became the Son, who became the Holy Spirit. Nor is God the divine nature of the Son (where Jesus had a human nature perceived as the Son and a divine nature perceived as the Father (Oneness theology). Nor is the Trinity an office held by three separate Gods (Mormonism).
The word "person" is used to describe the three members of the Godhead because the word "person" is appropriate. A person is self aware, can speak, love, hate, say "you," "yours," "me," "mine," etc. Each of the three persons in the Trinity demonstrate these qualities.
The chart below should help you to see how the doctrine of the Trinity is systematically derived from Scripture. The list is not exhaustive, only illustrative.
The first step is to establish the biblical doctrine that there is only one God. Then, you find that each of the persons is called God, each creates, each was involved in Jesus' resurrection, each indwells, etc. Therefore, God is one, but the one God is in three simultaneous persons. Please note that the idea of a composite unity is not a foreign concept to the Bible; after all, man and wife are said to be one flesh. The idea of a composite unity of persons is spoken of by God in Genesis (Gen. 2:24).
There is only one God
The first step is to establish how many Gods exist: one! Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8; John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:5-6; Gal. 4:8-9
"I am the LORD, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God," (Isaiah 45:5).
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me," (Isaiah 44:6).
See the Chart: http://carm.org/trinity
Therefore, the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at by looking at the whole of scripture, not in a single verse. It is the doctrine that there is only one God, not three, and that the one God exists in three persons: Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. An analogy would be time. Time is past, present, and future. But, there are not three times, only one.
Therefore it is from the Lord's teachings
Last edited by danceswithfire; 07-16-2012 at 09:15 PM..
You keep on explaining base on human reasoning not on the Bible and Spiritual nature of God... is there anything impossible to God? He is not a human that has limitation... He is God in three person... like the water with 3 nature too the solid, liquid and gas same as the triangle...
God already show himself and that this persons show up in different stages in the Bible...
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No one has ever seen God; ....
1 Timothy 1:17 (English-NIV)
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.
1 Timothy 6:15-16 (English-NIV)
15 which God will bring about in his own time, God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
This appears to contradict the Trinity Doctrine because these scriptures say that God is invisible, yet we know that Jesus is a visible being. What does it mean that no one has seen God? How can God be invisible and yet Jesus visible? Well the answer is that these scriptures are not talking about Jesus at all, rather the Father as the following scriptures will confirm.
John 6:46 (English-NIV)
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
John 1:18 (English-KJV)
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 5:37 (English-NIV)
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me.
You have never heard his voice nor seen his form.
It is obvious that no one can see God, and it is also scriptural and self-evedent that Jesus is a visible being.
This next scripture is one of the most ignored verses in the Bible, because it directly contradicts the Trinity Doctrine.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (English-NIV)
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
This scripture plainly points out that for us (believers) there is only one God the Father and Jesus is our only Lord.
You cannot make this scripture say anything else without misquoting it. It is very straight forward and to the point. The amazing thing about this scripture is the fact that it is not the result of a difficult translation and neither is this scripture isolated. The Bible is full of scriptures that teach us that the Father is the only one true God.
James 2:19 (English-NIV)
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that and shudder.
John 17:3 (English-NIV)
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
The above verse is so clear that you cannot understand it any other way. It tells us that Jesus is not the only true God, rather that the only true God is the Father and that this ONLY true God sent Jesus into the world. If we try to change the meaning of this scripture to fit any other predefined doctrine, then all we are doing is twisting this scripture to our own end. Now notice how John said that this truth is eternal life. Surely this means that we have to take this with the utmost respect and to intentionally ignore this or twist it would surely have serious consequences.
the bible does not teach trinity at all..it is a wrong interpretation backed up by wrong understanding of verses..it's argument is very leaky ..it's nothing but a "CONFUSION"
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Ayoko na sana makisawsaw pa dito dahil kadalasan ay nauuwi sa pagtatalo at pagkahati-hati. Pero hindi ako mapakali na hindi i-share sa inyo ang aking experience.
Mga parekoy, ako ay nag aral sa La Salette seminary. In that school, students are encouraged to do research before asking theology profs for further enlightenment if necessary.
Four of us did some exhaustive research about the trinity and found out how it came about. We asked every single prof in that school for clarification but all we got are more puzzling answers. When pressed for more coherent enlightenment, the exasperated explanation of the school priest Director is “God will eventually reveal the mystery” … end of discussion.
I suggest you people do the same research. It is now so easy to do study work on almost anything. Just Google it folks. Focus on how trinity came about and who were responsible for such doctrine. Try to remember, the trinity is never mentioned in the Holy Bible.
One nice thing about the Romans during the time of Constantine, they recorded everything.
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Bible that teaches the person of God
God the Father called the Son "God."
The "child" is called the "Mighty God."
Jesus is called Immanuel, which means "God with us."
Jesus (the "Word") is called "God."
1 Tim. 3:16
Paul said Jesus was God "manifested in the flesh."
Paul said Jesus was the "fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Thomas said to Jesus, "…my God."
Paul called Jesus "the great God."
Paul said Jesus didn’t feel it was wrong to be considered "equal with God."
The Jews wanted to kill Jesus because He was "making Himself equal with God."
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one."
The Bible said God created all things and that Jesus created all things.
The messiah (Jesus) had always been in existence.
Isa. 44:6; Rev. 1:2,8, 11,13
God claimed to be the "First and the Last." So did Jesus. God clearly states that He is the only savior. The Bible also says Jesus is our savior.
Verses saying the Father is God:
John. 8:41 "The only Father we have is God Himself."
Eph. 4:6 " … one God and Father of all …"
Verses saying the Holy Spirit is God:
Acts 5:3,4 "… you have lied to the Holy Spirit … you have not lied to men, but to God."
Acts 28:25,26 Referring to Isaiah 6:9,10, Peter said the "Holy Spirit" spoke to the prophet Isaiah. In the book of Isaiah, it says the "Lord" spoke to the prophet Isaiah.
1 Cor. 3:16 "Don’t you know you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?"
Verses saying there is only one God:
Mk. 12:32 "You are right in saying God is one and there is no other but him."
Mk. 12:29 "The Lord our God, the Lord is one."
1 Tim. 2:5 "For there is one God …"
1 Cor. 8:4 " … and there is no God but one."
Gal. 3:20 " … but God is one."
James 2:19 "You believe there is one God. Good! …"
Ps. 86:10 " … you alone are God."
Deut. 6:4,5 "The Lord our God, the Lord is one …"
Isa. 44:8 "Is there another God besides me?"
Isa. 45:21 "There is no God apart from me … there is none but me."
Isa. 45:22 "For I am God and there is no other."
Isa. 46:9 "I am God, and there is no other"
Isa. 45:5 "I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God."
Isaiah 45:18 "I am the Lord, and there is no other."
Mal. 2:10 "Did not one God create us?"
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