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Old 07-15-2012, 07:44 AM
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The fact that he's opening himself up to take those shots??

Dont get me wrong, no one's saying he has a solid chin but still, with his skillset he should be doing so much more to AVOID getting hit like that on his chin yet every fight he's getting caught clean on his chin.

I know we said the same after Prescott but that left hook last night would have knocked any 140 pounder down and most of them OUT.

The real problem is why the **** does he always leave himself open to those shots?? You cant blame Roach if Khans ring IQ is probably the worst i have ever seen. He's makes soooo many daft mistakes in there it's unbelievable. You can change trainers after every fight but untill Khan himself humbles himself down and decides to use his skills and fight rather than get into a war he'll always run the risk of getting KO'd.

Dont get me wrong, its ****ing great entertainment but thats where Khan has to make his choice. Does he care more about pleasing the crowd or getting the job done?
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:49 AM
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It's his chin, every fighter can expect to take a big shot at least once during a fight, defensive specialists included.

Khan struggles against punchers, it is what it is.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:57 AM
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His chin is rubbish but his defense is worse! Last night he got caught with the exact same shot Prescott caught him with. How can you not learn in 4 years?
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:01 AM
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I do notice when khan is one the pads with Roach, that khan looks great hitting the pads, but even Roach isnt hitting khan back to make khan concentrate on defense.
ANd maybe roachs parkinsons effecting his ability to make his fighters more capable defensively.
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:06 AM
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His chin is adequate but he is way too open and his defence is garbage so he takes too many shots and then the chin shows up. With a proper defence where he is covered up when attacking he would be OK. I have said for a long time he is open when attacking but it would take a good fighter to expose him. Making changes in his defence and building infighting skills is going to take a lot of time and work it is not an easy fix and has to be instinctive and woven in to his DNA. He needs to get rid of Roach who is clearly not capable of teaching it. Personally I think Hopkins could teach him jointly with Roach and that could work. But Khan is thick and proud and I don't see him changing , just trying to cover up his deficiencies with bluster ,spin and bull****.
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:09 AM
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It's the unholy trinity of poor defence, a shaky chin and weak legs. I'd throw in a lack of a survival brain if I was being cruel.

Khan is an fantastic amateur fighter, and I don't doubt that he could outbox most fighters out there. But there's a good chance he's going to lose against punchers.

I thought his gameplan last night was dreadful and he'd have probably cruised to a UD if he stayed on the outside. Still it made the fight a cracker!
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:11 AM
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His chin is adequate but he is way too open and his defence is garbage so he takes too many shots and then the chin shows up. With a proper defence where he is covered up when attacking he would be OK. I have said for a long time he is open when attacking but it would take a good fighter to expose him. Making changes in his defence and building infighting skills is going to take a lot of time and work it is not an easy fix and has to be instinctive and woven in to his DNA. He needs to get rid of Roach who is clearly not capable of teaching it. Personally I think Hopkins could teach him jointly with Roach and that could work. But Khan is thick and proud and I don't see him changing , just trying to cover up his deficiencies with bluster ,spin and bull****.
Absolutely spot on.

Was going to mention Hopkins, he needs someone like that in his ear to give him some ringsmarts as his ring IQ is absolutely atrocious.
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:13 AM
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The fact that he's opening himself up to take those shots??

Dont get me wrong, no one's saying he has a solid chin but still, with his skillset he should be doing so much more to AVOID getting hit like that on his chin yet every fight he's getting caught clean on his chin.

I know we said the same after Prescott but that left hook last night would have knocked any 140 pounder down and most of them OUT.

The real problem is why the **** does he always leave himself open to those shots?? You cant blame Roach if Khans ring IQ is probably the worst i have ever seen. He's makes soooo many daft mistakes in there it's unbelievable. You can change trainers after every fight but untill Khan himself humbles himself down and decides to use his skills and fight rather than get into a war he'll always run the risk of getting KO'd.

Dont get me wrong, its ****ing great entertainment but thats where Khan has to make his choice. Does he care more about pleasing the crowd or getting the job done?
khan is an offensive, chinny fighter and any quick accurate counterpuncher who can deal with his elbow punches is going to give khan problems.

agree with weebler that more than his defence its his chin. even very good defensive fighters (hopkins, pbf etc) often eat shots in big fights because their against high class opposition. when they do get hit their chin (hopkins) and ring smarts (think pbf vs mosley round II) get them through the fight/round.

also khan doesn't seem to be willing to learn from his mistakes. the peterson fight showed he has no inside game. in the fight yesterday garcia occasionally got inside and rather than have a plan for that khan resorted to pushing again.

another poster also made a very good point that maybe freddie r's deteriorating condition may have an impact on his fighters prep.

i think defence doesn't come naturally to khan but he has improved slightly since he started with freddie. problem is so has the calbire of opponent - now amir may only make 3/4 mistakes in a fight but they are nearly always capitalized on.
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:15 AM
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his chin is obv not great but its his lack of smarts that is the problem with his talents he could have boxed his way to a comfortable UD instead he went hell for leather for a KO ... and thats what he got.
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:15 AM
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its a combination of his defence, style, chin, recovery skills and survival skills.

IF he can work on his style, defence and survival skills he can bounce back, but it's a bloody big if.
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