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Old 07-01-2012, 10:30 AM
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I'm still waiting for that signature win. The hype and promo around him is telling everybody he is. He sell tickets but is yet to fight a serious opponent
And you'l get it. But does him not having a signature win at the age of 21 really warrant the hate he get's on this forum? Not saying from you personally but the majority of this forum.

I mean FFS there's people like Bute who got to the age of 31 without having beaten anybody and he was quite a few people's top 10 P4P lists

I agree wth you that he needs a signature win, however im not gonna hate on him like many do for not having one by the age of 21 when you see others get into their 30's having beat nobody and have a load of hype.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:30 AM
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No matter who he fights people will still hate.

I made a thread when I first came on here saying he was legit and people where saying ''so & so beats him, hes garbage etc''
Hes beaten pretty much all them guys or they've ducked him.

The kid is legit, if he fights K9 you'll say he was old, scrappy & his best win was over the boring Cory Spinks.

If he fights Lara you'll say he lost to Molina, hasn't even had 20 pro fights.

If he fights Kirkland, hes got a glass chin, Angulo was always dogsh1t & the slowest 154lb fighter on earth.


He just can not win and let me tell you like I did last year there is not one single guy on this earth at 154 that beats this kid. He would knock Cotto into retirement, he would smash Lara to pieces, Vanes isn't even worth mentioning neither is Molina who would do nothing but try hug his way to a boring decision.

Canelo IS the real deal You can nit-pick his record, you can do that with anyone in history. NO 154LB FIGHTER BEATS HIM!

To think he is still a kid too.
Shot to **** Cintron at 154
Shot to **** Mosely at 154
Shot to **** Rhodes
Matthew Hatton at 154
Alfonso Gomez 'The Contender' loser
Shot to **** Ndou LOL
Shotter than Shot Baldomir
Oh and another brother, Cotto who is a bum


Face a real threat first then say no 154'lber beats him FFS
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:28 PM
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He has fought 1 actual 154lb fighter and you're jumping on the band wagon?? canelo feasts on 140/147lbers for god's sake. Molina would beat him Easy. Canelo beat the 2nd best hatton who wasnt the best 147lber in england to win the vacant 154 title! Sergio martinez who can make 154 would wipe the floor with canelo. Until he either relinquishes the belt or fights people in his own division then Ill keep hating
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:42 PM
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Shot to **** Cintron at 154
Shot to **** Mosely at 154
Shot to **** Rhodes
Matthew Hatton at 154
Alfonso Gomez 'The Contender' loser
Shot to **** Ndou LOL
Shotter than Shot Baldomir
Oh and another brother, Cotto who is a bum


Face a real threat first then say no 154'lber beats him FFS
Cotto's big bro isn't a bum, he's just a lightweight. But other than that, rock on!!
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:44 PM
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Old 07-01-2012, 01:07 PM
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I agree I like canelo. The funny thing is everyone who is criticising canelo seem to praise broner. Broner lost to a fighter 2 weight divisions below him and got a gift. IMO both need to step up there competition and I have no doubt canelo will be the better of the 2 fighters
CANELO, a 154 lber, arguably lost to miguel vasquez, whos best weight is 135lbs. so much for that argument.
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Old 07-01-2012, 01:24 PM
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I think Canelo-Lara is a 50/50 fight, other than that, I agree.

People mentioning his record are near-sighted.

Using Mayweather as an example:

Who did Mayweather beat before Genaro Hernandez that would give anyone the impression that he could beat (let alone dominate) an experienced borderline HOF level fighter?

Tony Pep?

Would have picking him to win against Hernandez been stupid?

No... because if you picked him it would've been after you evaluated his potential based on what he demonstrated to you during his developmental stage.

This same ***** can be done with every fighter that's ever fought because at some point they all have to go through it. Canelo's developmental stage is just taking longer because 1) He doesn't have much amateur experience; 2) He turned pro at 16; 3) He's 21; 4) He's a potential superstar so his team wants to assure that they take enough precautions to put him in a position of succeeding.
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Old 07-01-2012, 01:29 PM
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He fought more welterweights than JMW's for his belt.... he won his belt from a welterweight....
very hard to take him serious
If he fought Lara, I'd give him credit.
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I think Canelo-Lara is a 50/50 fight, other than that, I agree.

People mentioning his record are near-sighted.

Using Mayweather as an example:

Who did Mayweather beat before Genaro Hernandez that would give anyone the impression that he could beat (let alone dominate) an experienced borderline HOF level fighter?

Tony Pep?

Would have picking him to win against Hernandez been stupid?

No... because if you picked him it would've been after you evaluated his potential based on what he demonstrated to you during his developmental stage.

This same ***** can be done with every fighter that's ever fought because at some point they all have to go through it. Canelo's developmental stage is just taking longer because 1) He doesn't have much amateur experience; 2) He turned pro at 16; 3) He's 21; 4) He's a potential superstar so his team wants to assure that they take enough precautions to put him in a position of succeeding.
true enough. i dont knock canelo too much for his resume, hes 21. but it is time for him to step up and he does get a little bit too much hype on here for someone who hasent exactly backed it up. the division hes in rite now is absolutely stacked. he has to fight someone with a pulse. i know hes tried, but hes tried with the guys he had the higher chances of beating, the kirklands and the ortiz'. why not risk a fight against lara or trout, definite top 154 guys. hes not ready for floyd or cotto imo, i think both beat him clearly, he just doesnt have the experience to hang with cotto nor the skill to hang with floyd.
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true enough. i dont knock canelo too much for his resume, hes 21. but it is time for him to step up and he does get a little bit too much hype on here for someone who hasent exactly backed it up. the division hes in rite now is absolutely stacked. he has to fight someone with a pulse. i know hes tried, but hes tried with the guys he had the higher chances of beating, the kirklands and the ortiz'. why not risk a fight against lara or trout, definite top 154 guys. hes not ready for floyd or cotto imo, i think both beat him clearly, he just doesnt have the experience to hang with cotto nor the skill to hang with floyd.
Canelo isn't overrated here... The TS and I are in the minority. He's one of the most criticized boxers in the sport at this point.

Canelo has been slowly and steadily stepping it up, but the NSB's perception of his competition is that he's just facing the same retreads.

In September, he's going to face a Quintana, Bundrage, or Trout by October he'll be scheduled to face Cotto (ready or not...) and I suspect he'll pass those tests; then he'll move on to a Mayweather fight. This September fight is just a high caliber stay busy fight before a Cotto showdown.
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