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Old 01-10-2012, 10:43 AM
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Then he beat a bumified version of Brock Lesner who wilts immediately by a little pressure and when his half a'ssed TD attempts get defended.

Just look at how he turtled up immediately against Shane Carwin after Carwin barely landed a uppercut.

Then we saw how easily Cain Velasquez TKo'd a Brock and how Brock ran after getting punched.

Brock Lesner himself was a complete hype job by the UFC, he sold massive amount of PPV so ofc you give him a Title shot against old **** Randy Couture with a glass jaw.
Brock had problems taking Randy down, a guy he outweighed by 50lbs and who was 15 years older.

Brock was a bum from the start
And the guy almost died twice from diverticulitis and had his parts of his intestines had been removed twice!

Then Reem knee'd and kicked Brocks stomach....
Brock, who has a dwarf heart from the start, gave up as many who had their intestine operated on twice.
WOW impressive win!

Where is this huge momentum you guys are talking about?
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Old 01-10-2012, 04:14 PM
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Reem has a gas tank problem even at HW.
He also has a bad chin problem and mediocre defense.
He also reaches in to gain the muay thai clinch which leaves him open.

He Tko'd the bum Brett Rogers who barely won against the horrible bum "Warpath".

He barely beat Werdum and gassed badly in that fight, even got beaten on the feet by a striking novice like Werdum.
And Dos Santos doesn't have mediocre defense? Dos Santos is a more fluid puncher but from a technique standpoint, he pales in comparison to Overeem. He doesn't mix up his striking with kicks, and he throws the uppercut ad nauseaum. Combinations are very predictable and his overall approach in fights is pretty reckless. Not to mention he hasn't exactly fought anyone with a respectable striking pedigree.

Unlike Werdum, Dos Santos isn't going to be looking to take him down in this fight, so I don't think Overeem would be wary or timid to strike with him like he was in the Werdum fight.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Overeem tries to muscle Dos Santos to the ground and beat him up there. His ground game is underrated he has good subs and he can do damage from top position.


And lol @ you suggesting that diverticulitis was a factor in Overeem winning the fight because he kicked Brock in the Liver.

Diverticulitis doesn't weaken you ability to take body shots.

Also I don't see how the momentum for JDS is any better.

Here is a guy who is beating up on a few washed-up bums like Yvel and a handful of one dimensional grapplers who don't have the striking to compete standing or the wrestling to avoid it. Then his last impressive win was over a guy who came off a year long layoff from shoulder surgery and threw one sloppy punch to the back of the head.

Yes much more impressive

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Old 01-10-2012, 04:38 PM
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Yeah, yeah, but Barnett would surely cream Mr Reem and Dos Santos on the same night.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:47 PM
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Barnett might secretly be the best HW in the world....
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:49 PM
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Barnett might secretly be the best HW in the world....
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but Barnett is definitely an elite HW and much better than some people will acknowledge
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:25 AM
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Barnett is definitely ahead of JDS and Overeem. He is a very well rounded guy.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:27 PM
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And Dos Santos doesn't have mediocre defense? Dos Santos is a more fluid puncher but from a technique standpoint, he pales in comparison to Overeem. He doesn't mix up his striking with kicks, and he throws the uppercut ad nauseaum. Combinations are very predictable and his overall approach in fights is pretty reckless. Not to mention he hasn't exactly fought anyone with a respectable striking pedigree.

Unlike Werdum, Dos Santos isn't going to be looking to take him down in this fight, so I don't think Overeem would be wary or timid to strike with him like he was in the Werdum fight.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Overeem tries to muscle Dos Santos to the ground and beat him up there. His ground game is underrated he has good subs and he can do damage from top position.


And lol @ you suggesting that diverticulitis was a factor in Overeem winning the fight because he kicked Brock in the Liver.

Diverticulitis doesn't weaken you ability to take body shots.

Also I don't see how the momentum for JDS is any better.

Here is a guy who is beating up on a few washed-up bums like Yvel and a handful of one dimensional grapplers who don't have the striking to compete standing or the wrestling to avoid it. Then his last impressive win was over a guy who came off a year long layoff from shoulder surgery and threw one sloppy punch to the back of the head.

Yes much more impressive
Reems best win in mma as a HW is Brock Lesner.....

JDS is coming his KTFO of Cain Velasquez, #1 in the world and he Dominated Shane Carwin, He brutally knocked Werdum out of the UFC when Werdum was in line for a Title shot(he had JDS then he would have gotten the title shot).

The guy hasn't lost a single round in the UFC and out of his 7 wins in the UFC he finished 5.


You seem to have a bias towards Roid heads .
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:35 PM
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Reems best win in mma as a HW is Brock Lesner.....
In your mind maybe. But Werdum and Brett Rodgers at the time they were beaten by Overeem were both top 10 ranked heavyweights. Fact

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JDS is coming his KTFO of Cain Velasquez, #1 in the world
Funny how you knock Overeem for beating up a "bumified" version of Brock Lesnar, yet give full credit to JDS for beating Cain Velasquez after he came off rotator cuff surgery that had him out of the cage for over a year.

The fight didn't last long enough to derive anything from it. And it's not like JDS won that fight by necessarily being the superior fighter. He landed a fluke punch to the back of the head.




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and he Dominated Shane Carwin
Is that supposed to be impressive? Brock beat Shane Carwin too. Carwin was a human target with horrible stand-up and average wrestling, Yet JDS couldn't finish him.

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He brutally knocked Werdum out of the UFC when Werdum was in line for a Title shot(he had JDS then he would have gotten the title shot).
While that was a good win, I don't think Werdum really took it seriously and JDS didn't knock him out of the UFC, Werdum left because of contract negotiations IIRC.

And Werdum was ranked much higher when Overeem beat him.


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The guy hasn't lost a single round in the UFC and out of his 7 wins in the UFC he finished 5.

You could knock JDS' opponents just as easily.

Gonzaga was a flash in the pan and a bum and he retired immediately after the fight with JDS.

Yvel is bum.

Cro Cop is washed up.

Stefan Struve is tough but will never amount to anything in the HW divison.

I'm not sure how you can insult Overeem for not fighting anybody when you look at JDS' record.

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You seem to have a bias towards Roid heads .
Considering Overeem has yet to test positive, amid rigorous testing, I'm not sure he's a roid head, nor does he deserve to be called one.

But you have a clear bias towards JDS.

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Old 01-11-2012, 08:50 PM
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Not sure if this is sarcasm or not but Barnett is definitely an elite HW and much better than some people will acknowledge
Not Sarcasm, I rank him pretty high....
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with or without the roids?
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