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Old 01-02-2012, 06:50 PM
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You're math is retarded man. Roy came from 160 and weighed in officially at 193 against Ruiz - that's 33 pounds.



Again you're math is retarded on multiple levels. Pac was fighting as a pro, jones wasn't. smh
And p0ac was getting KOd with body shots then too. Are you gonna hold that against him or are you gonna say he was only 15?
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:56 PM
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I remember 80-20 from USA Today at the time; here's an actual report at 70-30. Equally silly.

Jones Is Hopkins' Preferred Target
BY T.J. QUINN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Wednesday, February 21, 2001
THE DIRECTOR at the Milbank Center of Children's Aid Society in Harlem was incredulous when she stopped Bernard Hopkins at the front desk yesterday. She wanted to know who he was. He told her that he was the middleweight champion.

"Middleweight champion of what?" she asked.

Such is the life of one of the longest reigning world champions in a division that hasn't been sweet since Sugar Ray Robinson left and hasn't been prominent since Marvin Hagler hung them up 15 years ago.

But all that could change now that promoter Don King has put together a three-bout middleweight unification tournament that, barring any last minute snags, will unfold at Madison Square Garden. Hopkins, the IBF champ, will meet WBC champ Keith Holmes on April 14 on HBO.

"This is an important fight for me," Hopkins said during lunch at Gallagher's Steakhouse yesterday. "It's going to put pressure on Roy Jones Jr. I know if I hold up my end, Roy will have no excuse to bail out of a fight with me by early 2002. The boxing world will say to him put up or shut up."

Jones, who won a decision against Hopkins as a middleweight in 1993, already has bailed on Hopkins and the boxing public. King tried to bring Jones into the middleweight tournament mix by signing him to meet the undisputed middleweight champ when the dust cleared. He didn't want any part of that. Hopkins tried to make a fight with Jones, but the deal broke down because Jones insisted on not only a rematch, but a third fight with a 70-30 split his way.

Now, Jones is defending his undisputed light heavyweight title against a lightly regarded opponent named Derrick Harmon Saturday while Hopkins is marching toward Felix Trinidad. And Jones called Hopkins a coward last week.

When Hopkins was negotiating to meet Jones, Lou DiBella, the former HBO boxing czar who is advising Hopkins, had his doubts as to whether Hopkins could defeat Jones.

"You know what changed my mind? Bernard asked me who I would pick in a street fight, him or Roy," DiBella said. "I gotta tell you, I'd take Bernard."

Hopkins (38-2-1, 28 KOs) doesn't need Jones. Jones will be just fine, because as he said last week, he's not starving. HBO's version of boxing welfare has made Jones a very rich man. What boxer wouldn't want to pick his own opponents and still collect $3 million a fight?

Nothing ever has come easy for Hopkins, who spent nine years in prison for robbery and then nine years on probation. He has never earned $1 million in a fight. He has spent most of his pro career trying to maintain his independence from boxing's parasites - managers and promoters. He has successfully sued two promoters to break contracts that he believed were damaging his career.

And now at 36, near the end of his career, things are looking up for Hopkins. Thanks to King, the last person on earth he thought he'd ever fight for, Hopkins has a chance to make more money in two fights (around $4 million) than he has made in his entire career.

Yesterday, Hopkins took an early morning train from Philadelphia to make two speaking engagements in Manhattan as part of African-American History Month. He spent the morning downtown at The New York League speaking to a group of mentally retarded adults. In the afternoon, he talked to a group of restless kids at the Buster Bryant Gym about the importance of sacrifice and dedication. Tomorrow morning he will drive his mother, Shirley Hopkins, who has breast cancer, to chemotherapy.

"In boxing people always say you get what you deserve and it's a negative," DiBella said. "But with Bernard, he's finally getting what he deserves and it's a positive."

Looks like 70-30 to me. And considering Jones makes 3mil a fight and hop make 200K a fight at the time 70-30 would of been an upgrade Floyd just fought victor Ortiz for 90-10. 25mil to 2.5mil Hop still would of made a career high pay day at the time. Please that 70-30 isnt a big deal considering what they both usually make in a fight.
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:58 PM
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Looks like 70-30 to me. And considering Jones makes 3mil a fight and hop make 200K a fight at the time 70-30 would of been an upgrade Floyd just fought victor Ortiz for 90-10. 25mil to 2.5mil Hop still would of made a career high pay day at the time. Please that 70-30 isnt a big deal considering what they both usually make in a fight.
Making a condition of a rematch that "If you win the rematch, I get 70% of the NEXT fight" is the same as saying no thank you.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:07 PM
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Making a condition of a rematch that "If you win the rematch, I get 70% of the NEXT fight" is the same as saying no thank you.
Floyd and manny arent as dominant as Roy was and they are getting better than 70%
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Floyd and manny arent as dominant as Roy was and they are getting better than 70%
I didn't realize Roy Jones was a PPV cash cow at the time, like Manny & Floyd are.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:23 PM
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I didn't realize Roy Jones was a PPV cash cow at the time, like Manny & Floyd are.
Roy's PPV numbers were so embarrassing they quit trying for a while after Griffin II. Harding was a contract obligation that sold about as well as Diet New Coke.

And Floyd and Manny are stars on the level of Oscar De La Hoya. Jones biggest fight (Ruiz) was in the ballpark of Oscar-Campas.

70-30 for a rematch with Hopkins was fine at that point. 70-30 on a rubber match if you win round two was a joke. Hopkins walked away. That's what anyone sane would have done.
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