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Old 11-17-2011, 05:24 PM
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Opinions are not facts. What is a fact is that no amateur fighter ever beat a heavyweight world champion without working his way up the pro ranks and learning as he went along. I'd sure be interested in some links to all these experts who said Stevenson could beat Ali.....whats the hold up?
Stevenson wasn't just any other amateur fighter, he was THE amateur fighter so show him some respect! Ali himself said that if they ever fought it would end in a draw. And we know how unmodest Ali always was about predicting his own fights' outcomes.
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:37 PM
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Stevenson wasn't just any other amateur fighter, he was THE amateur fighter so show him some respect! Ali himself said that if they ever fought it would end in a draw. And we know how unmodest Ali always was about predicting his own fights' outcomes.

Stevenson gets massive credit from me for being a great amateur, but that's where it ends. The fact is he never beat a middle of the road professional let alone an all time great one. And for you to think he would just walk in their and do that without gaining professional experience and stamina first just makes you look silly.

Still waiting for some links bro.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:32 AM
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Stevenson gets massive credit from me for being a great amateur, but that's where it ends. The fact is he never beat a middle of the road professional let alone an all time great one. And for you to think he would just walk in their and do that without gaining professional experience and stamina first just makes you look silly.

Still waiting for some links bro.
That line completely reveals your ignorance and bias. Yes, he is a communist. Yes, he's a Cuban and proud of it, a REAL Cuban, not like those buggers you got down in Florida. American lackeys and drug lords most of them. Yes, Castro and his regime have done bad things but they have done good things also. And saying Stevenson never beat a mediocre professional is just STUPID. Sorry, but you laid a matzoball there. He never even fought as a pro, so how can you blame him for that?!? Its that YOU don't WANT him to, or guys like you wanted him to lose, but he kept on thrashing your guys and thats why you envy him and try to diminish him as a boxer.
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That line completely reveals your ignorance and bias. Yes, he is a communist. Yes, he's a Cuban and proud of it, a REAL Cuban, not like those buggers you got down in Florida. American lackeys and drug lords most of them. Yes, Castro and his regime have done bad things but they have done good things also. And saying Stevenson never beat a mediocre professional is just STUPID. Sorry, but you laid a matzoball there. He never even fought as a pro, so how can you blame him for that?!? Its that YOU don't WANT him to, or guys like you wanted him to lose, but he kept on thrashing your guys and thats why you envy him and try to diminish him as a boxer.
He never fought pro, this means he never beat a pro fighter. His circumstances while heart wrenching and sad are 100% irrelevant to these facts. This means your argument holds no water and you're making BS claims.
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Calling people Chinese pimps. Trying to bait them by calling them Korean. Yeah, nationalistic crap. If you have a problem with this you can PM me. My rules (this forums rules) aren't going to be debated in a thread.
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Duane was an excellent amateur, but a second rate pro. He was not particularly fast and only had an average punch. His big weakness was his jaw which could not take a top contender's punch. He never beat a really top tier heavyweight and was carefully protected up til the Norton fight. He was well schooled by Eddie Futch but simply didn't have the power, reflexes, or jaw to be a top pro. It is not true that Ali ducked him. Ali was VERY upset after the Norton fight, realizing what a big pay day just got killed. Ali fought Foreman and Shavers and Lyle; you really think he was afraid of Duane? At least Cooney could really punch.
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Duane was an excellent amateur, but a second rate pro. He was not particularly fast and only had an average punch. His big weakness was his jaw which could not take a top contender's punch. He never beat a really top tier heavyweight and was carefully protected up til the Norton fight. He was well schooled by Eddie Futch but simply didn't have the power, reflexes, or jaw to be a top pro. It is not true that Ali ducked him. Ali was VERY upset after the Norton fight, realizing what a big pay day just got killed. Ali fought Foreman and Shavers and Lyle; you really think he was afraid of Duane? At least Cooney could really punch.
Average punch?!? How da hell did he score 42 kayos then?!
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Average punch?!? How da hell did he score 42 kayos then?!
Because out of hos 42 ko opponents they had been knocked out a combined 369 times in the combined careers. Did you ever stop to think that they were picked to make Bobick look good because they had no chins or had lousy defense, or were inexperienced?
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