Is Pacquiao, Arum, Roach, and Team Pac ducking Mayweather???

[shinobininja]

after his last performance he will be in hiding

[4Corners]

Originally Posted by Pactar∂

Yes it sure does a bunch of b.hurt Mexicans voting for Mayweather obviously.

See also:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=460589
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=341922
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=400468

No way. The poll is a direct result of the fight Saturday and Monday night's revelation.

The whole world though Floyd was avoiding the fight, after hearing Monday night that Arum and Team Pac are pursuing the 4th JMM fight instead of a Floyd fight, now the people know who's been avoiding who.

Also, if Pac doesn't fight Floyd, it's a 50/50 split with he and Arum. Pac, as confirmed by Roach, still has final say in who he fights. So, if there are no negotiations for the fight, how can anyone say Manny isn't avoiding???

Also, your polls were all taken well before Monday night's revelation, when Pac, Arum, and his whole Team used Mayweather's request for OST as the "Floyd is ducking" thing. How could Floyd have been ducking when Pac NEVER agreed to full random testing??? Arum just said the other day that "Manny is finally going to call Floyd's bluff and agree to testing", than we get the whole Pac and Arum pursuing a 4th JMM fight again.

It was brilliant that Floyd called out for the Manny fight before the 3rd JMM fight, when it was still "all good" in Pac land.

The most recent poll tells it all, especially after Monday's report that was confirmed by the Federal Judge who mediates negotiations between the two sides and Dan Rafael, the biggest Floyd hater of all boxing writers, with the exception of Chris Mannix who still is on Pac and Arum's jocks.

You can't hide from Monday night's revelation man, just admit it.

[shinobininja]

amir khan wants mayweather lol suicide

[y0z786]

Been browsing these forums for about a year..finally decided to create an account and what a thread to make my first post.

Paquaio has been ducking Floyd from day 1 IMO, as a neutral fan i only have to look at the amount of excuses that have come out of team paq over the last year.

[mikemurni]

Originally Posted by Slip Stream

Bro, it was a dud because Clottey wasn't throwing very many punches, but the punches he was throwing were catching Manny squarely to the head. A fight that Pacquiao managed to miss over a thousand punches versus a stationary target. It was pathetic performances from both fighters yet the delusional Pacquiao fan somehow sees the fight differently.

Clottey had his arms up the whole night. He was 6-0 going in to the mid-rounds. He won that 12-0. I dont know if that is not domination for you. Then what is...

Originally Posted by Slip Stream

It doesn't matter when it was, he was knocked out just the same, it's all part of his career and the record. Pac fans mention the date as if somehow Pacquiao managed to grow a new head, complete with a new chin. He hasn't. So, the fact still remains he was knocked out twice.

Your version of the facts are disputed by a large portion of the boxing community, but tell yourself whatever you need to to get by.

Alright your a boxrec type of guy. I get it.. So here's a record for you that you cant seem to accept Pac is 2-0-1 against JMM.. Dont complain since you like to look at official records..lol..

Originally Posted by Slip Stream

If you're trying to argue that the Marquez that Floyd fought at 36 is not as good as the fighter that fought Manny at 38 (after taking more punishment) you are entertaining some rather bizarre logic.

Maybe because Pac fought had adhere to every contract points on the fight. ..Oh and Pac fought Marquez in his prime too, as well as in his best division...

Originally Posted by Slip Stream

Not one of the fighters you just named is in the same reality as Floyd is skill wise. And again, sorry about this, but reality must again intrude on your rather rich fantasy life. When Pac fought Margarito he was just fresh off of the ass whippin' of a lifetime, when he fought Mosley, Mosley was in steep decline as his fight before Pac clearly indicated, and Cotto was beaten senseless by a guy who was probably wearing two plaster casts in his gloves. When a logical mind puts all that together what you get are three fights, with three opponents who have seen better days. The Pac fan always tries to twist reality backwards by making these fighters a threat after they've been thoroughly dispatched before Pac fought them, that's an incontrovertible fact.

Alright I get it, you got tons of excuses for Margarito but at least he fought him..lol.. The same way that he fought Cotto, and Floyd didnt...

Originally Posted by Slip Stream

Sure, sure, I get what you're saying now. And by using that logic, Manny looks terrible today because he wasn't able to achieve what many of his fans perceived about how the fight was going to go. Had Manny actually did what some in his camp and his fans were claiming he was going to do all the boxing forums would have been full to the brim with Pacoholics crowing about how easily he would do it to Mayweather. But now that the veil of Bob Arum's illusions have been lifted "the hype" surrounding Pacquiao has taken a major hit.

He did win the fight didnt he?? He got his hands raised.. Everything else are just excuses that are for debate...

Originally Posted by Slip Stream

Yes, Pac has been "winning," but against old, beaten, and washed up fighters. While Floyd has never been defeated or knocked out in the ring, yet the highest praise he will ever get from a Pacquiao fanatic is that he's "afraid."

Its quite simple really.. When was Floyd in the fight were the odds were at least 2 to 1. The last time he had was against Mosley and Hatton... Washed up, past prime, steroid user.. And all this bs excuses are really what they are considering that things are said differently before the fight took place....

Originally Posted by Slip Stream

Fortunately for me I never had Pac 50/50 against that motley crew. I knew, like many, sane and rational boxing fans that those fights were a joke, why? Because Bob Arum is a liar and a manipulator who would never put Manny in the ring with someone that was truly a threat, those odds makers don't know jack.



Manny's been in competitive fights because the people he fought were on his level in terms of expertise. The fact that Mayweather hasn't had a tough fight is the result of a relentless work ethic and superb boxing skills in the ring. It isn't his fault that he doesn't get ripped with hard shots like Manny.



This is why Floyd Mayweather is the best period, because any fighter stacked next to Floyd is light work.

Tzuyu, Marg, Cotto, Johnston these are all pick'em fights that Floyd didnt take.. So please enough of this "Mayweather is so good that no fighter comes close" bull****..

[4Corners]

Originally Posted by mikemurni

Clottey had his arms up the whole night. He was 6-0 going in to the mid-rounds. He won that 12-0. I dont know if that is not domination for you. Then what is...



Alright your a boxrec type of guy. I get it.. So here's a record for you that you cant seem to accept Pac is 2-0-1 against JMM.. Dont complain since you like to look at official records..lol..





Maybe because Pac fought had adhere to every contract points on the fight. ..Oh and Pac fought Marquez in his prime too, as well as in his best division...




Alright I get it, you got tons of excuses for Margarito but at least he fought him..lol.. The same way that he fought Cotto, and Floyd didnt...




He did win the fight didnt he?? He got his hands raised.. Everything else are just excuses that are for debate...





Its quite simple really.. When was Floyd in the fight were the odds were at least 2 to 1. The last time he had was against Mosley and Hatton... Washed up, past prime, steroid user.. And all this bs excuses are really what they are considering that things are said differently before the fight took place....




Tzuyu, Marg, Cotto, Johnston these are all pick'em fights that Floyd didnt take.. So please enough of this "Mayweather is so good that no fighter comes close" bull****..

Tszyu, he was rumored to fight Floyd in 2004 and 2005, when he was 33-34 or something. No doubt that had Floyd beat him, people would have said Floyd beat up on an old Tszyu. Hatton beat Tszyu handily and Floyd beat Hatton in his prime after that anyway. Johnston was NOT a duck. Floyd fought Castillo who had just beaten Johnston once and fought a draw with him (I had Castillo winning the 1st fight, and the 2nd a draw), so how was he ducking Johnston??? And this is coming from a Denver native who was the biggest Stevie Johnston fan when he was fighting, especially in his prime.

Also, as far as Margarito in 2006 and Cotto in 2008, I place that with Pacquiao in 2010. Was Floyd ducking??? I don't know. If I was Floyd, I would have fought those fights, but was Arum bulls**tting as usual back then too??? After Floyd beat Judah, he split with Arum, to which Arum said he'd never do business with Floyd again. Than, he comes out and says Floyd turned down 8 million to fight Margarito. As far as Cotto, Floyd and his team had been calling him out since 2006, to which Top Rank replied with "Cotto isn't ready for Floyd". Than, after Floyd says he's done after the Hatton fight, Cotto and Top Rank say Floyd is ducking. So, if you want to say he ducked them, fine. Your opinion.

But, anyone else could come back with the argument that Manny ducked Raheem in 2005, Guzman in 2007-2008, Mosley in 2009-2010, Berto in 2010, and Ortiz in 2011, as well as rematches with Barrera for 4 years (2003-2007), Marquez for 4 years (2004-2008) and 3 1/2 years (2008-2011), right???

Also, neither Marquez or Manny ever beat Marquez in his prime (1999-2005). He fought a draw with Marquez in his prime, and won a controversial SD over Marquez when he was past prime-still good. Also, Marquez giving Manny hell again in 2011, when he is past his prime and not that good anymore, at 144 lbs makes Floyd's win over Marquez 2 years ago look a lot better now.

You can't hide from the fact that Manny never agreed to testing, as confirmed by Koncz back in July (he said "Manny never agreed to do any testing within 14 days of the fight") and Arum a week ago (he said "Manny is finally going to call Floyd's bluff and agree to testing"). And you can't twist the fact that Mannys traight up walked away from negotiations in January 2010, refusing testing, than announced the Clottey fight a day or two later. Also, you can't hide from the facts that Top Rank and Pac are reportedly pursuing a 4th fight with JMM instead of a Mayweather fight.

[Jack Napier]

Pac wants the fight
Floyd held it up for a long time with his bullshit
Pac's ego is just bruised after the JMM III letdown right now
people making a big deal of it like it makes Floyd look any better

[mikemurni]

Originally Posted by 4CornersKid

Tszyu, he was rumored to fight Floyd in 2004 and 2005, when he was 33-34 or something. No doubt that had Floyd beat him, people would have said Floyd beat up on an old Tszyu. Hatton beat Tszyu handily and Floyd beat Hatton in his prime after that anyway. Johnston was NOT a duck. Floyd fought Castillo who had just beaten Johnston once and fought a draw with him (I had Castillo winning the 1st fight, and the 2nd a draw), so how was he ducking Johnston??? And this is coming from a Denver native who was the biggest Stevie Johnston fan when he was fighting, especially in his prime.

Also, as far as Margarito in 2006 and Cotto in 2008, I place that with Pacquiao in 2010. Was Floyd ducking??? I don't know. If I was Floyd, I would have fought those fights, but was Arum bulls**tting as usual back then too??? After Floyd beat Judah, he split with Arum, to which Arum said he'd never do business with Floyd again. Than, he comes out and says Floyd turned down 8 million to fight Margarito. As far as Cotto, Floyd and his team had been calling him out since 2006, to which Top Rank replied with "Cotto isn't ready for Floyd". Than, after Floyd says he's done after the Hatton fight, Cotto and Top Rank say Floyd is ducking. So, if you want to say he ducked them, fine. Your opinion.

But, anyone else could come back with the argument that Manny ducked Raheem in 2005, Guzman in 2007-2008, Mosley in 2009-2010, Berto in 2010, and Ortiz in 2011, as well as rematches with Barrera for 4 years (2003-2007), Marquez for 4 years (2004-2008) and 3 1/2 years (2008-2011), right???

Also, neither Marquez or Manny ever beat Marquez in his prime (1999-2005). He fought a draw with Marquez in his prime, and won a controversial SD over Marquez when he was past prime-still good. Also, Marquez giving Manny hell again in 2011, when he is past his prime and not that good anymore, at 144 lbs makes Floyd's win over Marquez 2 years ago look a lot better now.

You can't hide from the fact that Manny never agreed to testing, as confirmed by Koncz back in July (he said "Manny never agreed to do any testing within 14 days of the fight") and Arum a week ago (he said "Manny is finally going to call Floyd's bluff and agree to testing"). And you can't twist the fact that Mannys traight up walked away from negotiations in January 2010, refusing testing, than announced the Clottey fight a day or two later. Also, you can't hide from the facts that Top Rank and Pac are reportedly pursuing a 4th fight with JMM instead of a Mayweather fight.

Pac fought Morales in a rematch (wherein he was the underdog) instead of Raheem.

Pac fought JMM instead of Guzman wherein the fight was for the lineal SFW title. That was was Pac in a 2 to 1 favorite going in.

Pac fought Cotto instead of Mosley. In which Pac was also 2 to 1 favorite going in. Which means also a 50/50 fight..

Pac fought Hatton (2 to 1), and Oscar(he was the underdog) instead of JMM 3..

What was Floyd's replacement fight for not fighting Cotto, Tzuyu, Johnston, and Margarito.. Gatti, Judah, Baldomir...Really now...

And lol on Barrera (who dvcked Pac for an immediate rematch), Ortiz (losing to Maidana and drew against Peterson), and Berto (who got a gift from Callazo)...

[GoogleMe]

Yeah - they've just delusionised alot of freaks...

[QADASHBANYAH]

Originally Posted by chiguy91

you should've made the poll public but i'm sure many could already tell who voted no. either way, manny needs to get rid of bob arum, that piece is shit is killing this potential fight. one can only imagine what pacquiao's career could've been if he was with gbp

Manny's career wouldnt be as glorious as it is now if he was with GBP.. He never would be fighting at those catchweights for titles etc. He would have been matched with khan or someone by now. He more than likely would have never fought CLOTTEY. He would already have his "L" on his record for fighting and losing to floyd. Top Rank is the best thing that could have happened to manny. **** Shane woudl have fought manny before he fought Floyd in all honesty.. There would be no mythical 8th division win against a known cheater, because delahoya would not have even dreamed of making such a bullshat fight.... Arum is crooked as ****, and thats pacuiaos legacy right there....