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Old 10-11-2011, 01:32 AM
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the total pot was over 8 million dollars. hopkins wanted 6 million and calzaghe got 2 million and the rest. why is that such an outrageous request? if hopkins demanded like 10 million or way more than was even available i would agree but he didn't. calzaghe was a nobody and hopkins was the number 1 fighter in the world and hopkins had to go over to wales to fight. seems like a very fair offer to me. ortiz got 3 million to floyd's 30 mill or so. ortiz didn't turn down the fight because floyd was making a lot more than him. if you want to fight the best you have to play by their rules. if calzaghe was confident he could win he would have taken the 2 million+ and the opportunity to make much more/become a huge star but in usual calzaghe fashion he turned down the fight and fought a bunch of bums.

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Old 10-11-2011, 01:33 AM
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fighters ask to guarantee their money all the time. why are you pretending like that's a big deal? you know how often a promoter will promise a fighter a cut of the gate/ppv then never give it? when it's such a big pot a fighter will almost always get part of it guaranteed. in this case hopkins wasn't so he asked warren to guarantee it for him in advance. in essence calling his bluff. if warren couldn't guarantee that much it means 2 things. either he was lying about being able to generate that much in the first place(which makes his original negotiations bull) or he didn't want to give up a little more of the pot because he never wanted calzaghe to fight hopkins. either way he was not serious. he should have guaranteed the money to hopkins anyway even if he had to take a loss. if calzaghe won he would be a huge star. like i said warren had no confidence in calzaghe winning so he didn't take the fight. what do you expect when your fighter is scared of sven ottke and can't even beat robin reid. when you fight the number 1 p4p fighter you play by his rules. maybe you and warren should learn that.
You're a fukin idiot. You cant guarantee ppv money because they didnt know how well a potential PPV would have done. Hopkins was to receive 50% of any PPV revenue which is more than fair as Calzaghe is the attraction in the UK.

Hopkins was guranteed a $3m purse. The highest of his career. He was to receive all of the US TV money and half of the European money. How is that not a fair deal?

You have changed your story, lied, changed the subject and made a ton of excuses. You're now saying what? That Hopkins should've got all the US money plus over 50% of the European money?
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:48 AM
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You're a fukin idiot. You cant guarantee ppv money because they didnt know how well a potential PPV would have done. Hopkins was to receive 50% of any PPV revenue which is more than fair as Calzaghe is the attraction in the UK.

Hopkins was guranteed a $3m purse. The highest of his career. He was to receive all of the US TV money and half of the European money. How is that not a fair deal?

You have changed your story, lied, changed the subject and made a ton of excuses. You're now saying what? That Hopkins should've got all the US money plus over 50% of the European money?
ummm yes you can. mayweather, oscar, pac, hopkins got guaranteed much more money than the live gate is worth. warren himself said it was worth at least 5 million in ppv so was he lying or are you? you reveal you know nothing about how boxing works the more you post.

calzaghe is the attraction? you must be having a laugh. he was fighting in empty ice rinks. why do you think the fight would have done 5 million plus? did calzaghe's fights normally do that much? ummm no! not even close. hopkins was the attraction. he was the number 1 p4p fighter in the world and the british people would come out to see him fight anyone. warren knew this. thus hopkins deserves the lion's share.

hopkins should have got what he wanted. he was the shot caller. it's not like he asked for 10 million when there was only 8 million available. he asked for 6 and calzaghe would get 2 million+. more than reasonable. ortiz got 3 to mayweathers 30. he didn't bi-tch and complain. calzaghe' won't take 2 to hopkin's 6? clear duck.

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ummm yes you can. mayweather, oscar, pac, hopkins got guaranteed much more money than the live gate is worth. warren himself said it was worth at least 5 million in ppv so was he lying or are you? you reveal you know nothing about how boxing works the more you post.

calzaghe is the attraction? you must be having a laugh. he was fighting in empty ice rinks. why do you think the fight would have done 5 million plus? did calzaghe's fights normally do that much? ummm no! not even close. hopkins was the attraction. he was the number 1 p4p fighter in the world and the british people would come out to see him fight anyone. warren knew this. thus hopkins deserves the lion's share.

hopkins should have got what he wanted. he was the shot caller. it's not like he asked for 10 million when there was only 8 million available. he asked for 6 and calzaghe would get 2 million+. more than reasonable. ortiz got 3 to mayweathers 30. he didn't bi-tch and complain. calzaghe' won't take 2 to hopkin's 6? clear duck.
So Hopkins deserved $6m guranteed. Plus all the US revenue. Plus over 50% of the European revenue? Is that what ur saying? Is that what you flippped flopped and changed your story to?

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it's not like he asked for 10 million when there was only 8 million available. he asked for 6 and calzaghe would get 2 million+. .
He asked for 6 when there was only 3 available you fuking moron. You obviously didnt understand what you were reading. Showtime said there was $3m available for the fight and Hopkins would receive all of it. Warren was also giving him 50% of Europe. Try to comprehend you mess.
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:12 AM
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He asked for 6 when there was only 3 available you fuking moron. You obviously didnt understand what you were reading. Showtime said there was $3m available for the fight and Hopkins would receive all of it. Warren was also giving him 50% of Europe. Try to comprehend you mess.
why did calzaghe turn down 2 million dollars to fight hopkins? his own promoter said there was enough money to pay hopkins 6 and calzaghe 2 but now he's changing his mind? this is his own promoter speaking!

there was at least 8 million in the total pot by warren's(the promoter of the event's) own calculations. hopkins wanted 6 out of that 8 and calzaghe could take the other 2 million+ but he refused and ducked him. hopkins was the draw, hopkins was the p4p number 1, hopkins was the undisputed champ, calzaghe had a worthless wbo belt and fought in ice rinks. do the math. that was more than fair if the money was there.........but was it? only warren really knows. he said it was but then he also refused to pay hopkins the money up front so it makes you wonder if he was just lying the whole time. if the money was there and he refused to pay hopkins up front it's just a flat out duck. if the money wasn't there then it was a sham negotiation from the get go. either way warren set himself up to fail.

mayweather gets guaranteed 25 mill for his fights. now how do you think that's possible? that's factoring in the ppv buys obviously duh! there's not enough money available otherwise. calzaghe was guaranteed 2 million the very same way in this very same fight! how can someone be so thick? not everybody makes money up front. look at the roy jones-hopkins ppv. jones got screwed because it bombed. but here's the difference. warren was the promoter of the event and warren said there would be 5 million in ppv/gate. if he was telling the truth why not pay hopkins up front instead of after? hopkins called his bluff and warren took a walk with his tail between his legs.

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please tell me which mega fights calzaghe was in before he fought hopkins? when did calzaghe ever generate 5 million dollars in ppv/gate? when did calzaghe generate half a million ppv buys like hopkins? when did calzaghe make a 3 million dollar purse before like hopkins? 2 million would have been his biggest payday and he took a walk. yeah hopkins would have made more than him but so what that's the game. he was the b-side and he was pretending like he was the a-side. you don't see scrubs like ortiz demanding half of the ppv/gate against maywaether. but when calzaghe demands half hopkins is the one ducking? get real! 6 mill to 2 mill was a great deal for an unknown and he rejected it to fight some more bums.
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why did calzaghe turn down 2 million dollars to fight hopkins? his own promoter said there was enough money to pay hopkins 6 and calzaghe 2 but now he's changing his mind? this is his own promoter speaking!

there was at least 8 million in the total pot by warren's(the promoter of the event's) own calculations. hopkins wanted 6 out of that 8 and calzaghe could take the other 2 million+ but he refused and ducked him. hopkins was the draw, hopkins was the p4p number 1, hopkins was the undisputed champ, calzaghe had a worthless wbo belt and fought in ice rinks. do the math. that was more than fair if the money was there.........but was it? only warren really knows. he said it was but then he also refused to pay hopkins the money up front so it makes you wonder if he was just lying the whole time. if the money was there and he refused to pay hopkins up front it's just a flat out duck. if the money wasn't there then it was a sham negotiation from the get go. either way warren set himself up to fail.

mayweather gets guaranteed 25 mill for his fights. now how do you think that's possible? that's factoring in the ppv buys obviously duh! there's not enough money available otherwise. calzaghe was guaranteed 2 million the very same way in this very same fight! how can someone be so thick? not everybody makes money up front. look at the roy jones-hopkins ppv. jones got screwed because it bombed. but here's the difference. warren was the promoter of the event and warren said there would be 5 million in ppv/gate. if he was telling the truth why not pay hopkins up front instead of after? hopkins called his bluff and warren took a walk with his tail between his legs.
You are making up more lies. You obviously still dont understand what you are talking about or you're deliberately lying/playing dumb. Why didnt you answer the question i asked? Why are your posts getting increasingly longer and more rambling?
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