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Old 09-15-2011, 02:28 PM
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Did you really just typed all that up?
Took a few minutes. You prefer the two sentence troll threads that we here?
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:29 PM
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I will put it this way. The standard Floyd is held to is astronomically high.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:38 PM
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When critics and detractors try to create arguments on why they believe Floyd will lose an upcoming fight they almost invariably point to A SINGLE LANDED PUNCH in a particular round to create the foundation for their entire (strawman) argument.

THIS IS UNHEARD OF IN BOXING HISTORY AND IS A TESTAMENT TO FLOYD'S GREATNESS.

How many times have we seen the TWO PUNCHES landed by Shane, or the TWO PUNCHES landed by Corley or the ONE PUNCH landed by Judah as the basis for criticism against Floyd, or worse yet a prediction against him in an upcoming fight. It's repeated over and over again AD NAUSEUM to the point where its almost comical: "GO TO 3:26.54 seconds of the video with 1:27.483949 left in the round and see Fraud get hit!!!! If (insert fighters name here) lands that punch, HE'S DEAD!"

Why is this?

It's because finding blueprints, techniques, a game plan etc.. to defeat Floyd can't honestly be surmised from any of his previous fights. The first Castillo fight (where Floyd had a bad shoulder) was quickly rectified in the rematch, and no other fighter has come close since. De La Hoya's effort was admirable, but Floyd coasted to victory and the myth that DLH stopped throwing the jab late was created (even though punch stats or an observant eye prove otherwise).

With a fighter like Pacquiao we can literally watch round after round of him in life and death battles getting battered and bruised relentlessly to create a foundation for a prediction or analysis. Contrast for a moment the Pac-JMM rematch with the PBF-Castillo rematch. What we learn is one fighter is dynamic enough to apply what he learned in the first fight and win convincingly, while the other enters the ring as if it were round 13 and changes nothing.

Roach said it best. There is no game plan to beat Floyd, what you hope to do is find some mistakes and capitalize on them. This is a complement that Freddie has never given any of his own fighters including Pacquiao or Khan.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. will always be the fighter where single landed punches are so amazing, so shocking, and so unexpected that they will always be played over and over and over and over again by his detractors.


Floyd is truly the pound 4 pound king, and one of the all time greats.

Floyd is not the p4p king.......or else he would be ranked that way, no?


Mayweather does not throw enough punches to open himself up to get hit. There is a reason he doesn't want to fight Pac. He is too defensive to be productive against Pac, he would lose because of getting outworked. Floyd is a great fighter but he has dooooooped a ton of people into believing that he in unbeatable..this is not the case. This fight in particular illustrates this.

He takes on a YOUNG, PRIME, HUNGRY fighter with a belt..."Wow Floyd is taking on the toughest challenge of his career!!!!!!", scream the faithful Floyd followers. The reality is, Ortiz did give up in a fight before (questions linger regarding his heart), he struggled greatly against Peterson (a boxer-counter puncher like Floyd), he swings wide (this is the most important one for me). Floyd will counter Ortiz with ease to win the UD.

The underlying story is that on paper, it looks great for Floyd- taking on such a tough challenger, while the reality is that Ortiz is still pretty green, never, ever fought in a PPV fight before, fighting in "Mayweatherville", having Mayweather's favorite referee in there to keep Floyd safe, and is an easy target for Floyd's right hand.

All points to another perceived career-defining win for Mayweather that is full of underlying advantages that are trumpted by the surface features.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:44 PM
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yeah it is interesting how a handful of times that he has been hit hard is used to point out his weaknesses

goes to show how good he is
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:47 PM
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yeah it is interesting how a handful of times that he has been hit hard is used to point out his weaknesses

goes to show how good he is
I've said this numerous amounts of times.
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:01 PM
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Floyd is not the p4p king.......or else he would be ranked that way, no?


Mayweather does not throw enough punches to open himself up to get hit. There is a reason he doesn't want to fight Pac. He is too defensive to be productive against Pac, he would lose because of getting outworked. Floyd is a great fighter but he has dooooooped a ton of people into believing that he in unbeatable..this is not the case. This fight in particular illustrates this.

He takes on a YOUNG, PRIME, HUNGRY fighter with a belt..."Wow Floyd is taking on the toughest challenge of his career!!!!!!", scream the faithful Floyd followers. The reality is, Ortiz did give up in a fight before (questions linger regarding his heart), he struggled greatly against Peterson (a boxer-counter puncher like Floyd), he swings wide (this is the most important one for me). Floyd will counter Ortiz with ease to win the UD.

The underlying story is that on paper, it looks great for Floyd- taking on such a tough challenger, while the reality is that Ortiz is still pretty green, never, ever fought in a PPV fight before, fighting in "Mayweatherville", having Mayweather's favorite referee in there to keep Floyd safe, and is an easy target for Floyd's right hand.

All points to another perceived career-defining win for Mayweather that is full of underlying advantages that are trumpted by the surface features.
Very good. However, let's keep in mind that fighters do tend to rise to the occasion when the situation calls for it. Many fighters perform at a higher level when they know they must step their game up on a bigger stage. They tend to work harder than they ever have.

At this point, Vic has little to lose, is still basking in the limelight, proud of his performance in his last outing, knows Floyd is at a higher level than his previous opponents, and the money is much better now than before.

I could be wrong about Vic. He might just show up to collect his check and couldn't give a damn what people think of his performance as long as he gets paid.

As far as Floyd losing to Pacquiao -- not even Arum is confident Pacquiao could beat Floyd. He knows Floyd is taking that fight very personal.

Just sayin.'
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Floyd is not the p4p king.......or else he would be ranked that way, no?


Mayweather does not throw enough punches to open himself up to get hit. There is a reason he doesn't want to fight Pac. He is too defensive to be productive against Pac, he would lose because of getting outworked. Floyd is a great fighter but he has dooooooped a ton of people into believing that he in unbeatable..this is not the case. This fight in particular illustrates this.
A static analysis on a dynamic fighter. It's quality, not quantity my friend.

If Floyd doesn't throw enough punches what, pray tell, causes his opponents output to drop so precipitously in each of his fights? I'll answer... clean, hard countershots. Pacquiao will face the same dilemma. Pacquiao is GREAT, but the prospect of eating leather is one that can make even the greatest gun shy.

The rest of your post is biased criticism that can be leveled against any and every fighter. No fight is ever perfect.. Hell, Oscar De La Hoya made a career out of being criticized for angling virtually every single prize fight he had into an advantage. When all is said and done he's entering the hall of fame.
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A static analysis on a dynamic fighter. It's quality, not quantity my friend.

If Floyd doesn't throw enough punches what, pray tell, causes his opponents output to drop so precipitously in each of his fights? I'll answer... clean, hard countershots. Pacquiao will face the same dilemma. Pacquiao is GREAT, but the prospect of eating leather is one that can make even the greatest gun shy.

The rest of your post is biased criticism that can be leveled against any and every fighter. No fight is ever perfect.. Hell, Oscar De La Hoya made a career out of being criticized for angling virtually every single prize fight he had into an advantage. When all is said and done he's entering the hall of fame.
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Floyd is not the p4p king.......or else he would be ranked that way, no?


Mayweather does not throw enough punches to open himself up to get hit. There is a reason he doesn't want to fight Pac. He is too defensive to be productive against Pac, he would lose because of getting outworked. Floyd is a great fighter but he has dooooooped a ton of people into believing that he in unbeatable..this is not the case. This fight in particular illustrates this.
See Pac vs Mosley. Mayweather makes Pac look worse than Mosley did. Now add the fact that Floyd lands at a very very high connect % and the fact that Pac has problems with defensive counter punchers and we have Mayweather playing a brilliant game of chess with Pac attempting to play checkers. Two great games on completely different levels..

Not to mention Floyd wont engage leaving Pac confused and looking like shyt like vs Mosley. But that was leg problems right?


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He takes on a YOUNG, PRIME, HUNGRY fighter with a belt..."Wow Floyd is taking on the toughest challenge of his career!!!!!!", scream the faithful Floyd followers. The reality is, Ortiz did give up in a fight before (questions linger regarding his heart), he struggled greatly against Peterson (a boxer-counter puncher like Floyd), he swings wide (this is the most important one for me). Floyd will counter Ortiz with ease to win the UD.
Yeah, so did Cotto and he was coming off the 2 worst performances of his career.

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The underlying story is that on paper, it looks great for Floyd- taking on such a tough challenger, while the reality is that Ortiz is still pretty green, never, ever fought in a PPV fight before, fighting in "Mayweatherville", having Mayweather's favorite referee in there to keep Floyd safe, and is an easy target for Floyd's right hand. All points to another perceived career-defining win for Mayweather that is full of underlying advantages that are trumpted by the surface features.
No matter who Floyd fights he will be the favorite. He was the opening favorite vs Pac so no matter WHO he steps in the ring with at 147 and below he would be the favorite. These cats use the same shyt every time... Floyd was supposed to win etc etc etc.... well no shyt.
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Floyd is a massive favorite to win the fight so LOL @ making a few people saying he'll lose into a big deal. 8.5-1 favorite.
and no matter who Floyd fights at 147 and below he will be the favorite so whats your point?
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