Gunboat Smith: "There's something radically wrong in todays boxing."

[McGoorty]

Originally Posted by SCtrojansbaby

lol and you know this because you read some quotes in a newspaper from 1933

You still stinkin' up the place ??,........ the PEPE Le PEW of the HISTORY SECTION

[McGoorty]

Originally Posted by McGoorty

You still stinkin' up the place ??,........ the PEPE Le PEW of the HISTORY SECTION

But Madame, I (You) have overstoked the furnace No ?,.... Yes perhaps,.... On Ya PEPE !

[McGoorty]

Originally Posted by BattlingNelson

TGA taking a swing at the klits:

That first clip is as funny as hell............ Benny Hill me off ....... lol.

[Mugwump]

I'm pretty sure I've got an old BBC Horizon documentary which offers compelling argumentation and evidence from some leading scientists and neurosurgeons working at London's specialist centre for brain damage that fighting with heavier gloves significantly increases the risk of brain injury.

In their opinion it was a certainty. And I'm not qualified to dispute their point.

[McGoorty]

Originally Posted by Mugwump

I'm pretty sure I've got an old BBC Horizon documentary which offers compelling argumentation and evidence from some leading scientists and neurosurgeons working at London's specialist centre for brain damage that fighting with heavier gloves significantly increases the risk of brain injury.

In their opinion it was a certainty. And I'm not qualified to dispute their point.

That was Gunboats POINT Exactly !!!!!!

[hebi]

Sounds right to me. Although, I cannot picture the old rules in today's world.

[Marchegiano]

Originally Posted by JAB5239

It baffles me that anyone may not agree with this in an overall sense. There will be exceptions in every era, but overall fighters have declined in toughness and ability.

Yeah man. Authentically tough.


It's weird because if you ask people who have nothing to do with fighting it seems like common knowledge that men from the past were simply harder more manly men. However, fight fans convince themselves that fighting evolves with technology, and "fighting science". Also most fans learn about the sport backwards. You come in at the present, and watch back catalog until your satisfied. This gives you a poor handle on the evolution of the sport. If you start with the Spartans and take a historical account of boxing from the beginning to today it becomes pretty obvious that a fighter removed from his time and placed 100 years closer to now will kill most of who he meets. Boxing in the beginning was a means to strengthen solder's resistance to blows to the skull. In the beginning one solder would throw and another would take until KO'd. If you were taking blows your goal is to simply last. This gave the Spartans a knowledge most other generals today don't know. They knew exactly who could take what and who could give what. What it means to you is there used to be 135lb boxers that could take blows from 200lbers all day...no exaggeration, no bull****. There's a very good reason why weight classes don't come until the 1800's. It's crazy obvious given how far that'd be from the norm today that 135lbs of Spartan kills today's 135lber.


Our skulls only need about 80 to 100 psi on a knuckle to break or crack today because we do NO skull training. it takes about 130 to 135 psi to crack a Roman skull. These tidbits are hard to come by( reliable sources anyhow) and I dunno how hard the skull of a Spartan would be, but Roman and Spartan boxing are very similar and very much serve the same purpose.

If you let got of formal meet and agree fighting and take it back even farther. There is quite a long period of time where we are not the only man on the planet, but we are the weakest. Any Homo Sapien that went toe to toe with a Homo Ecrectus, a Neanderthal, or Homo Ergastor would surely murder a man today. We used to fight our mentally inferior physically superior cousins all the time. Only know weapons being spears(sharp stick!) and hand axe(sharp rock!) means most fights were hand to hand, and unarmed happened quickly. I doubt very many would box a living Neanderthal.

[Marchegiano]

Originally Posted by jabsRstiff

The early 20th century guys certainly did not have the same skills as the more modern guys.

Train a guy to fight the way they did back then and put him in with a guy learning today's methods...you'll have an embarrassing match going on.

Boxing is a simple sport in many ways, but you cannot deny it has evolved form its early form...and it's evolved for a reason.

How much evolution can you claim to have observed in the sport? This "evolution" is an ignorance birthed out of a lack of knowledge of the sports history. Let me ask you, and all of the "new sport" type fella's Who invented the feint? when? were? Why did it go away for so long? and who brought it back? When you can answer those questions correctly you can tell me how the sports evolved.

The sport goes in circles. It's an ancient sport that goes back thousands of years with no gaps in its use. If you believe there's absolutely anything new you can bring to the sport than your delusional. Do you honestly watch Klitschko brothers or their unders and think " yeah man, over 2,000 years of building and progressing has led to this"? Without the slightest bit of logic hinting that it's all been done before? Figure out were the term fisticuffs comes from and you'll find a Klitschko again.

[jabsRstiff]

"This "evolution" is an ignorance birthed out of a lack of knowledge of the sports history."

Excuse me? You have the wrong guy with that statement. My knowledge of the sport and its history is just fine.

The evolution is plain to see. Is it drastic? No, it's subtle....and there's a reason it took place.

Don't take offense. I appreciate the pioneers of the sport as much as the next guy, but I'm not gonna ROMANTICIZE with them the way I think you and some others here do.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by jabsRstiff

"This "evolution" is an ignorance birthed out of a lack of knowledge of the sports history."

Excuse me? You have the wrong guy with that statement. My knowledge of the sport and its history is just fine.

The evolution is plain to see. Is it drastic? No, it's subtle....and there's a reason it took place.

Don't take offense. I appreciate the pioneers of the sport as much as the next guy, but I'm not gonna ROMANTICIZE with them the way I think you and some others here do.

Some things have been improved upon such as tightening up punches instead of throwing a bot more wide as many use to do. But much has also been lost looking at the sport as a whole. Feinting, stamina and the general toughness of the fighters today stand out to me.