If roach is responsible for all of pac's success, why is pac his only elite fighter?

Strictly_UG

Why is pacquiao his only fighter on the elite level? And why is pac the only champion he has majorly influenced?

Toney didn't become a noticably greater fighter when he hooked up with roach, neither did tyson or de la hoya.

If roach was so incredible a trainer, why can't he just find another no talent, no skill, no intelligence fighter and make him a 7 division world champion?

Money Team.

tyson was shot

oscar was at the end of his career

toney was already great

THE REED™

Who said Roach is solely responsible?

Rab-

You're forgetting about the next Mexican legend and GOAT JCC Jr

Strictly_UG

Quote:

Originally Posted by reedickyaluss

Who said Roach is solely responsible?

i see it a lot- this thread is for those people

ИATAS

I think the general view is that pacquiao was already a talented fighter but a bit raw in some aspects and Roach simply helped improve his game to become a more complete fighter. I don't think this is debatable.

Strictly_UG

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarryX2011

tyson was shot

oscar was at the end of his career

toney was already great

o.k so name me another great fighter that was under roach, and i'll give you another example of how roach isn't that great a trainer- at least not as much as other masters of the game.

Strictly_UG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rab-

You're forgetting about the next Mexican legend and GOAT JCC Jr

I can't wait til they put him up against a real fighter lol

Slyboots

I think Roach himself has said that he's not the best trainer, he's just surrounded by great fighters. Pac already had that raw talent but Roach simply refined it.

Steak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slyboots

I think Roach himself has said that he's not the best trainer, he's just surrounded by great fighters. Pac already had that raw talent but Roach simply refined it.

kind of eminds me of Angelo Dundee in that respect.

what about Khan however> he seemed to get pretty good after joining Roach's camp.

and also, simply surrounding yourself by high level boxers will make you better. If youre getting sparring rounds in against awesome guys, youre going to learn a lot more than sparring against bums.

Money Team. Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Getting Money Posts: 27,558 Rep Power: 188 Points: 570,000,351,319.49 Bank: 69,713,196,433,735.91 Total Points: 70,283,196,785,055.40 Donate	tyson was shot oscar was at the end of his career toney was already great

THE REED™ BEAST MODE Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 55,081 Rep Power: 200000 Points: 1,023,946,129,305.39 Bank: 22,088,580,398,420,116.00 Total Points: 22,089,604,344,549,420.00 Donate	Who said Roach is solely responsible?

Rab- Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: De la Mesa de Otay Posts: 1,155 Rep Power: 0 Points: 32,083,269.59 Bank: 53.28 Total Points: 32,083,322.87 Donate	You're forgetting about the next Mexican legend and GOAT JCC Jr

ИATAS Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Seattle Age: 99 Posts: 28,174 Rep Power: 115 Points: 129,818,473,557.49 Bank: 11,535,485,229,741.58 Total Points: 11,665,303,703,299.07 Donate	I think the general view is that pacquiao was already a talented fighter but a bit raw in some aspects and Roach simply helped improve his game to become a more complete fighter. I don't think this is debatable.

Slyboots Undisputed Champion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: East Bay, CA Posts: 2,925 Rep Power: 14 Points: 1,098,934,556.90 Bank: 20,623,326,355.74 Total Points: 21,722,260,912.64 Donate	I think Roach himself has said that he's not the best trainer, he's just surrounded by great fighters. Pac already had that raw talent but Roach simply refined it.