Comments Thread For: Team Sergio Martinez: We'll Fight Haye For Klitschko Shot

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What?

I stated several times that Marquez should NOT be going up to 147 to fight if he can't.
I stated several times that Manny should NOT be going up to 154 to fight if he can't.

Is the above clear enough for you?

I don't know what you were reading but I even made it clear that we all want to see a fight that is fair. At least I do..... AND that I didn't even want to see Manny fight Marquez as that would be the easier fight according to the options he has available right now.

So from my other posts and this one now, how can you come to the conclusion that I said it's OK for Marquez to come up at 147? Marquez does NOT belong at 147. He definitely didn't against someone who came in at 147, such as he did with Floyd and he doesn't now.

So, then I have two questions for you.....

1.) if, " Manny should NOT be going up to 154 to fight if he can't ".....
..... then, what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?

2.) if, according to Ariza/Roach, " Manny is a genuine JWW ".....
..... then, what do you think of Manny's insistence that he would only fight the LW Marquez at 147, higher than when Manny fought for his WW title?

If you reply with anything other than.....
" both are b1tch-moves by Team Pacquiao ".....
Then we are back to square one, I will call you a dishonest ****, and I will repost my 6 issues.

Fair enough ?

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Now do you get my point ADP ?

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

I am, the way I am, because of dishonest Manny-fan's.

Nobody should have to endure that two-faced bull****.

My "6 issues" are relevant to me because of frustration caused by dishonest Manny fan-boy's over Pac's refusal to fight Marquez at 140.

My boy was getting set up by those cherry-picker's, and you know it.

I feel similar to how you feel, when you read that posters insist that Manny should fight Sergio at 154. Got it?

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

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So, then I have two questions for you.....

1.) if, " Manny should NOT be going up to 154 to fight if he can't ".....
..... then, what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?

2.) if, according to Ariza/Roach, " Manny is a genuine JWW ".....
..... then, what do you think of Manny's insistence that he would only fight the LW Marquez at 147, higher than when Manny fought for his WW title?

If you reply with anything other than.....
" both are b1tch-moves by Team Pacquiao ".....
Then we are back to square one, I will call you a dishonest ****, and I will repost my 6 issues.

Fair enough ?

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Now do you get my point ADP ?

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

I am, the way I am, because of dishonest Manny-fan's.

Nobody should have to endure that two-faced bull****.

My "6 issues" are relevant to me because of frustration caused by dishonest Manny fan-boy's over Pac's refusal to fight Marquez at 140.

My boy was getting set up by those cherry-picker's, and you know it.

I feel similar to how you feel, when you read that posters insist that Manny should fight Sergio at 154. Got it?

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

I questioned the Margo vs Manny fight being at 150 for a title. Some of Manny's fans have said the same..... but I didn't question the fight. I expected Margarito to have the heart and size to try for 12 rounds.


Marquez vs Manny
- Due to the comments, I sensed days before Marquez's last fight that Manny's team was not interested in Marquez as they thought it would be easy compared to the other options they had and I'm sure they thought about the money. The deal breaker was Marquez asking for too much money therefore not being worth it for Arum.
- When 147 was mentioned it was because of their lack of interest more than anything.
- If it was worth it for them they would go down to 140 as they did against Hatton ... but I can't speak for them as it may be harder for Manny now than it was then.
- So you think that Marquez should get the money he asks for and 140 weight? Who is holding all the cards here?
- If the money would get ironed out the weight as well.
- Manny will beat Marquez at 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147. So no worries there for Manny therefore I don't see this one as a duck!


Fair enough?

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so i guess this is team martinez realising that they should stop trying to fight midgets?

but still, this fight should happen at 154, martinez will get spanked

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I questioned the Margo vs Manny fight being at 150 for a title. Some of Manny's fans have said the same..... but I didn't question the fight. I expected Margarito to have the heart and size to try for 12 rounds.

You..... " questioned it " ?

Manny fought for a VACANT JMW title, at catch-weight, against a slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, WELTERWEIGHT, bum..... who had just regained his license after being banned from boxing for glove-loading. It was a total fkn joke.

NOTE: In case you didn't notice, the key-word's were "VACANT", and "WELTERWEIGHT".

And, you didn't even answer the question, so I will ask you again.....

1.) what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?

BTW, I am attempting to be patient with you, because there is a slight chance that I may have pegged you wrong, even though your name is familiar and I am not sure that you are being 100% honest.

One last time.....

Considering that, Manny fought for a VACANT JMW title, at catch-weight, against a slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, WELTERWEIGHT, bum..... who had just regained his license after being banned from boxing for glove-loading..... what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?

Marquez vs Manny
- Due to the comments, I sensed days before Marquez's last fight that Manny's team was not interested in Marquez as they thought it would be easy compared to the other options they had and I'm sure they thought about the money. The deal breaker was Marquez asking for too much money therefore not being worth it for Arum.
- When 147 was mentioned it was because of their lack of interest more than anything.
- If it was worth it for them they would go down to 140 as they did against Hatton ... but I can't speak for them as it may be harder for Manny now than it was then.
- So you think that Marquez should get the money he asks for and 140 weight? Who is holding all the cards here?
- If the money would get ironed out the weight as well.
- Manny will beat Marquez at 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147. So no worries there for Manny therefore I don't see this one as a duck!

Stop with your fkn dribble ****.

Now I am sure that you are being dishonest.

I don't care if Marquez priced himself out, even though he made more than $5mil with Mayweather, and he deserves more than Margarito who got 6mil.

And you are a fkn arsewipe for suggesting that Manny can be a coward b1tch because he "holds all the cards here".

You said this you dishonest little ****.....
"we all want to see a fight that is fair. At least I do"

Now you're trying to say that Marquez priced himself out, and hard luck because Manny holds all the cards?

You are full-of-**** kid.

I don't care if you think that Marquez is pricing himself out, and I don't care who holds all the cards..... I AM TALKING ABOUT THE WEIGHT YOU DISHONEST PRICK.....

Arum: Pacquiao vs Marquez Will Be at 147 or No Fight

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Manny Pacquiao is a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154?

What a b1tch Manny.

Fair enough?

No, you dishonest ****.

You claim to "we all want to see a fight that is fair. At least I do".....

So, if Marquez has to go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154?

Answer my two questions, you dishonest little fan-boy.....

1.) Considering that Manny fought for a VACANT JMW title, at catch-weight, against a slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, WELTERWEIGHT, bum..... who had just regained his license after being banned from boxing for glove-loading.....
..... what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?

2.)
* if, according to Ariza/Roach, " Manny is a genuine JWW ".....
* and, according to you "I..... want to see a fight that is fair"
* and, if Manny will not fight ANY genuine JMW because it is unfair to fight a bigger guy.....
..... then, what do you think of Manny's insistence that he would only fight the LW Marquez at 147, which is higher than when Manny fought for his WW title?

NOTE: I am not asking why the fight may not get made, and I am not asking who the main draw is..... you dishonest prick.....

I am asking why Manny is too scared to fight Marquez unless the fight is at 140, when it is obvious that JMM is ineffective above 135, and when it is obvious that Manny can easily make 140 according to Ariza/Roach.

Arum: Pacquiao vs Marquez Will Be at 147 or No Fight

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why does that chicken-**** arsewipe Manny need to have a significant advantage before he will fight anybody?

So, you wanna be a smartarse and try to bull**** me?

Answer my questions ****.

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BTW, ADP.....

Did you notice how I was treating you with respect when I thought that it was possible that you actually may be an honest boxing fan..... but then when I realised that you were just another dishonest arsewipe, I started treating you like something that I would sc**** off the bottom of my shoe ?

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I questioned the Margo vs Manny fight being at 150 for a title. Some of Manny's fans have said the same..... but I didn't question the fight. I expected Margarito to have the heart and size to try for 12 rounds.


Marquez vs Manny
- Due to the comments, I sensed days before Marquez's last fight that Manny's team was not interested in Marquez as they thought it would be easy compared to the other options they had and I'm sure they thought about the money. The deal breaker was Marquez asking for too much money therefore not being worth it for Arum.
- When 147 was mentioned it was because of their lack of interest more than anything.
- If it was worth it for them they would go down to 140 as they did against Hatton ... but I can't speak for them as it may be harder for Manny now than it was then.
- So you think that Marquez should get the money he asks for and 140 weight? Who is holding all the cards here?
- If the money would get ironed out the weight as well.
- Manny will beat Marquez at 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147. So no worries there for Manny therefore I don't see this one as a duck!


Fair enough?

What an arsewipe you are.

I explained my position here.....

My "6 issues" are relevant to me because of frustration caused by dishonest Manny fan-boy's over Pac's refusal to fight Marquez at 140.

My boy was getting set up by those cherry-picker's, and you know it.

I feel similar to how you feel, when you read that posters insist that Manny should fight Sergio at 154. Got it?

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

And you responded by telling me that Manny holds all the cards.....

Go *** yourself ****, you dishonest little arsewipe.

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BTW, ADP.....

Did you notice how I was treating you with respect when I thought that it was possible that you actually may be an honest boxing fan..... but then when I realised that you were just another dishonest arsewipe, I started treating you like something that I would sc**** off the bottom of my shoe ?

I went back and saw how respectful you were initially.

"Hey, whiney b1tch."

"It's fkn empty."


thanks for those kind words!


You just want people to respond like you or else you resort to name calling. That is all I saw from you. If at least you were consistent and right in your ideas, but you are flawed buddy!

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You..... " questioned it " ?

Manny fought for a VACANT JMW title, at catch-weight, against a slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, WELTERWEIGHT, bum..... who had just regained his license after being banned from boxing for glove-loading. It was a total fkn joke.

NOTE: In case you didn't notice, the key-word's were "VACANT", and "WELTERWEIGHT".

And, you didn't even answer the question, so I will ask you again.....

1.) what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?

BTW, I am attempting to be patient with you, because there is a slight chance that I may have pegged you wrong, even though your name is familiar and I am not sure that you are being 100% honest.

One last time.....

Considering that, Manny fought for a VACANT JMW title, at catch-weight, against a slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, WELTERWEIGHT, bum..... who had just regained his license after being banned from boxing for glove-loading..... what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?



Stop with your fkn dribble ****.

Now I am sure that you are being dishonest.

I don't care if Marquez priced himself out, even though he made more than $5mil with Mayweather, and he deserves more than Margarito who got 6mil.

And you are a fkn arsewipe for suggesting that Manny can be a coward b1tch because he "holds all the cards here".

You said this you dishonest little ****.....
"we all want to see a fight that is fair. At least I do"

Now you're trying to say that Marquez priced himself out, and hard luck because Manny holds all the cards?

You are full-of-**** kid.

I don't care if you think that Marquez is pricing himself out, and I don't care who holds all the cards..... I AM TALKING ABOUT THE WEIGHT YOU DISHONEST PRICK.....

Arum: Pacquiao vs Marquez Will Be at 147 or No Fight

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Manny Pacquiao is a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154?

What a b1tch Manny.



No, you dishonest ****.

You claim to "we all want to see a fight that is fair. At least I do".....

So, if Marquez has to go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154?

Answer my two questions, you dishonest little fan-boy.....

1.) Considering that Manny fought for a [B]VACANT[/B] JMW title, at catch-weight, against a slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, WELTERWEIGHT, bum..... who had just regained his license after being banned from boxing for glove-loading.....
..... what do you think of Manny's 8th divisional title ?

2.)
* if, according to Ariza/Roach, " Manny is a genuine JWW ".....
* and, according to you "I..... want to see a fight that is fair"
* and, if Manny will not fight ANY genuine JMW because it is unfair to fight a bigger guy.....
..... then, what do you think of Manny's insistence that he would only fight the LW Marquez at 147, which is higher than when Manny fought for his WW title?

NOTE: I am not asking why the fight may not get made, and I am not asking who the main draw is..... you dishonest prick.....

I am asking why Manny is too scared to fight Marquez unless the fight is at 140, when it is obvious that JMM is ineffective above 135, and when it is obvious that Manny can easily make 140 according to Ariza/Roach.

Arum: Pacquiao vs Marquez Will Be at 147 or No Fight

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why does that chicken-**** arsewipe Manny need to have a significant advantage before he will fight anybody?

So, you wanna be a smartarse and try to bull**** me?

Answer my questions ****.

Wow, UpperC ..... you must have had one hell of a party last night! lol

I hope for your sake, the above is right or else you are an idiot!!! Plain and simple!!!

I said, "I questioned the Margo vs Manny fight being at 150 for a title."

I was agreeing with you about the "title" of Margarito vs Manny but you were too ignorant to see that and started calling me names. If "questionable" was not what you were looking for you could have simply asked what I meant by "questionable".

I never said in any of my posts/threads that I was in agreement with it being for a title. By my comment, at the very least most people would understand that I wasn't in favor of that fight being for a "title". Even if I meant slightly different, you could have just respected our "slightly" different points of view instead of name calling.


You rant deserves this: No matter what you think, Manny DID fight for the JMW Title and won. It's in the books. So live with that! You seem to be losing sleep over this but I certainly will not. I do respect all his achievements though but you do not it seems. I said what has to be said about the 154 title but from your rant, I'm glad it happened now and Manny was not the first nor will he be the last to do it! Manny has 8 titles, live with it! lol!


As for Martinez: You said that Manny fought a Welterweight in Margarito and you are stating that he doesn't deserve the title THEN you turn it to Manny has to fight Martinez, in a guy who just KOed to win the middleweight title, or he is a coward. Do you see your contradiction?

Even Martinez said that "Manny is too small".

I said it's up to Manny's team. If they think they can fight Martinez or someone else at 154 great, if they can't then too bad UpperC!!!


Marquez:
I had said it in previous threads that Arum could have chosen his words better (I'm sure you will complain at my choice of words lol!) BUT the point is that he is trying to negotiate the best deal for his guy not Marquez. If you don't understand that then it's NOT my problem, buddy! When you start the negotiations you don't start with, sure, let's give Marquez what he wants ($5 million and 140) THAT WOULD BE DUMB and Arum has done this enough to know what he
is doing, like it or not ..... even Marquez went too far and over-priced himself BUT you said that was not your concern(see the difference in your attitude) ...... It's funny that you seem to take SOME of Arum's words as gospel but not those that don't make your case (eg. I don't want my guy to struggle to make weight). You are very selective in your comprehension. Maybe that is the real problem! Yes, he can make 140 as stated by Ariza but there also could be some starving involved as Arum stated and not wanted by Arum. So Arum will try to get a deal that involves no weight issues for Manny. Arum is just doing his job, like it or not buddy!

You are freaking mad that Manny fought Margarito at a catchweight for a 154 title. If you can say Margarito does not deserve a title shot at 154 then you should obviously see that Marquez does not deserve to fight Manny at 147 for a title fight. You even admit that Marquez is not effective above 135. Also, be consistent, you say that you hate catch-weights (Manny vs Margarito) but then you start crying that Manny's next fight is NOT at a catchweight.

Your words "frustrated that Manny doesn't fight Marquez at 140". You may have made a mistake but it appeared that you wanted it at 135 if possible too!Talk about wanting cake and eating it too!


Now you talk about honesty, please answer me this. There are very few people who think that Marquez will beat Manny at 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147. Are you one of them? If so then Manny is NOT ducking and NOT scared!!! Right? So that crushes half of what you said.

If you say that Manny is ducking and scared (as you obviously did) then you are the DISHONEST ONE!!! Why? because you said "it is obvious that JMM is ineffective above 135" .... THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS!!!

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Manny Pacquiao is a coward.....

Wow, UpperC ..... you must have had one hell of a party last night! lol

I hope for your sake, the above is right or else you are an idiot!!! Plain and simple!!!

I said, "I questioned the Margo vs Manny fight being at 150 for a title."

I was agreeing with you about the "title" of Margarito vs Manny but you were too ignorant to see that and started calling me names. If "questionable" was not what you were looking for you could have simply asked what I meant by "questionable".

I never said in any of my posts/threads that I was in agreement with it being for a title. By my comment, at the very least most people would understand that I wasn't in favor of that fight being for a "title". Even if I meant slightly different, you could have just respected our "slightly" different points of view instead of name calling.


You rant deserves this: No matter what you think, Manny DID fight for the JMW Title and won. It's in the books. So live with that! You seem to be losing sleep over this but I certainly will not. I do respect all his achievements though but you do not it seems. I said what has to be said about the 154 title but from your rant, I'm glad it happened now and Manny was not the first nor will he be the last to do it! Manny has 8 titles, live with it! lol!


As for Martinez: You said that Manny fought a Welterweight in Margarito and you are stating that he doesn't deserve the title THEN you turn it to Manny has to fight Martinez, in a guy who just KOed to win the middleweight title, or he is a coward. Do you see your contradiction?

Even Martinez said that "Manny is too small".

I said it's up to Manny's team. If they think they can fight Martinez or someone else at 154 great, if they can't then too bad UpperC!!!


Marquez:
I had said it in previous threads that Arum could have chosen his words better (I'm sure you will complain at my choice of words lol!) BUT the point is that he is trying to negotiate the best deal for his guy not Marquez. If you don't understand that then it's NOT my problem, buddy! When you start the negotiations you don't start with, sure, let's give Marquez what he wants ($5 million and 140) THAT WOULD BE DUMB and Arum has done this enough to know what he
is doing, like it or not ..... even Marquez went too far and over-priced himself BUT you said that was not your concern(see the difference in your attitude) ...... It's funny that you seem to take SOME of Arum's words as gospel but not those that don't make your case (eg. I don't want my guy to struggle to make weight). You are very selective in your comprehension. Maybe that is the real problem! Yes, he can make 140 as stated by Ariza but there also could be some starving involved as Arum stated and not wanted by Arum. So Arum will try to get a deal that involves no weight issues for Manny. Arum is just doing his job, like it or not buddy!

You are freaking mad that Manny fought Margarito at a catchweight for a 154 title. If you can say Margarito does not deserve a title shot at 154 then you should obviously see that Marquez does not deserve to fight Manny at 147 for a title fight. You even admit that Marquez is not effective above 135. Also, be consistent, you say that you hate catch-weights (Manny vs Margarito) but then you start crying that Manny's next fight is NOT at a catchweight.

Your words "frustrated that Manny doesn't fight Marquez at 140". You may have made a mistake but it appeared that you wanted it at 135 if possible too!Talk about wanting cake and eating it too!


Now you talk about honesty, please answer me this. There are very few people who think that Marquez will beat Manny at 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147. Are you one of them? If so then Manny is NOT ducking and NOT scared!!! Right? So that crushes half of what you said.

If you say that Manny is ducking and scared (as you obviously did) then you are the DISHONEST ONE!!! Why? because you said "it is obvious that JMM is ineffective above 135" .... THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS!!!

It is much simpler than that dribble you wrote.....

You are a low-life two-faced ****, for saying this.....
" we all want to see a fight that is fair. At least I do "

then this.....
" Manny will beat Marquez at 140 "

and then insisting that the fight should be at 147.

What a fkn assswipe kid.

You are not a boxing fan, you are just a Manny-fan. One of the little ***wits that turned up just after the Hoya fight, and soon, you will be gone.

Pacquiao is still piss-scared of JMM. Even at 140, Manny cannot complete with the skills of the 37yo Marquez, so he needs to have every physical advantage before he will fight. What a fkn pu$$y.

Manny is not content with the fight being a lightweight vs a junior welter, Manny wants it to be a lightweight vs a small welterweight before he will go anywhere near Marquez. What a P4P pu$$y.

Your boy is a coward, grow up and deal with it

And you are a fkn idiot for crediting pacroid as an 8-division titlist.

1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW oppenent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

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I went back and saw how respectful you were initially.

"Hey, whiney b1tch."

"It's fkn empty."


thanks for those kind words!


You just want people to respond like you or else you resort to name calling. That is all I saw from you. If at least you were consistent and right in your ideas, but you are flawed buddy!

Yep, you are a whiney b1tch.

But most of all, you are a dishonest assswipe.

I mean, what sort of dribble were you trying to peddle here kid.....

" If you can say Margarito does not deserve a title shot at 154 then you should obviously see that Marquez does not deserve to fight Manny at 147 for a title fight "

Marquez does not "deserve to fight Manny at 147 for a title fight" you moron.

JMM is a lightweight, and Manny can easily make 140.

What the *** are you on, idiot ?