ali-liston,frazier,foreman;=mayweather-corrales,cotto and margarito?

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  • AntonTheMeh
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    ali-liston,frazier,foreman;=mayweather-corrales,cotto and margarito?

    after some thought and study I've come to the conclusion that there is a possibility of floyd REALLY being a top five fighter p4p all time in the next year or so.now i don't believe that we can forget what fighters of the past did,but its obvious that as time progresses the level of skill in the sport gets better,the fighters have gotten stronger,faster and more intelligent.we can talk about how much fighters fought back than,but that would open up a whole can a worms I'd rather not get into.[i.e.wins,loses,glove size,etc......]theres been threads and polls made asking the question asking who was more skilled a prime roy jones or floyd,while other people ask the question where would roy rank all time had he retired as a heavyweight titlist.roy made his mark in four divisions,from middle to light heavy,and heavy[he skipped cruiser] and alot of people have him near if not top ten or higher.i think that this should be the same way that floyd mayweather should be measured.he's been a titlist at five divisions,and even if he wasn't undisputed its obvious by hi skill that he was the best,though proving it with certain opposition[kostya] would have been better.still i believe that floyd has the opportunity to be a top five ALL TIME GREAT.duran lost at his best weight[lightweight]and he's considered by many to be a top 5 atg;i know he moved up 2 weight classes to fight and beat leonard[another all timer]its obvious that the young leonard foolishly fought the other mans fight.
    i see it like this,if where gonna compare ali to floyd the lets compare ali's oponnents and floyd's possible future foes.floyd had his liston in corrales,an amazing fighter that many believed would beat floyd.
    he has his frazier in cotto,a fighter that is seen as his biggest threat a the moment,and who resembles frazier in style and punch,with better skills than frazier had.in margarito he has his foreman[who in turn was seen as a second liston],a foe much like corrales a warrior with height who doesn't use it to much of there advantage but a true fighter nonetheless.

    there been rumors of floyd moving down to 140[which MIGHT have been his best weight]and i blieve this is a terrible mistake if done by floyd.
    floyd moving down to 140 in anticipation of a pacman fight could spell doom for him,though he and fans may not think so,this reminds me of roy going up to heavy,to comeback to light heavy and getting ko'd by lesser fighters than him.though he may only have to lose half the weight roy did;to get back to light heavy,it doesn't mean he'll be better off,as a smaller man.this will be a move he may regret.i would dare say,depending on how pacman looks at lightweight he could POSSIBLY ko mayweather;not necessarily because of pacs power;but because of the strain the weight drain might put on floyd much like it did roy.


    ps,just cause i compared foreman with margo and cotto with frazier doesn't mean margo is gonna do to cotto what foreman did to frazier.


    MY APOLOGIES TO THOSE WHO THIS MAY SEEM TO READ.
  • AntonTheMeh
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    i hate writing long **** like this;you think you make a decent point,than nobody answers.
    bastards.

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    • audibleone
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      #3
      So you're saying if Floyd fights and defeats Cotto and Margarito, he could possibly a top 5 fighter? Is Margairto really worth that much?

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        #4
        Originally posted by audibleone
        So you're saying if Floyd fights and defeats Cotto and Margarito, he could possibly a top 5 fighter? Is Margairto really worth that much?
        well the begs the question how good was foreman?who exactly did he beat?who did frazier beat?he and ali made each other.foreman was just a feared puncher.his reputation was on his power not skill,much like margarito.who knows who'll end up what.this has to do with floyd beating a certain kinda fighter.i know my comparisons are all over the place but my logic is by a combination of a couple of things.
        moving up classes ect.its a combo of ali and duran's legacy in a way.
        Last edited by AntonTheMeh; 05-25-2008, 04:19 PM.

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        • NAPO
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          #5
          Originally posted by audibleone
          So you're saying if Floyd fights and defeats Cotto and Margarito, he could possibly a top 5 fighter? Is Margairto really worth that much?
          he's OK it would be a name worth mentioned on cotto's resume.

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          • Xplosivo
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            #6
            If mayweather beats cotto and margarito this is what his resume would look like:

            Corrales
            Gatti
            Castillo
            Baldomir
            Judah
            Corley
            Hatton
            Mitchell
            Margarito
            Manfredy
            De La Hoya
            Chavez
            Cotto
            Hernandez

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            • TheGreatA
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              #7
              Originally posted by ANTON THE GREAT
              well the begs the question how good was foreman?who exactly did he beat?who did frazier beat?he and ali made each other.foreman was just a feared puncher.his reputation was on his power not skill,much like margarito.who knows who'll end up what.this has to do with floyd beating a certain kinda fighter.i know my comparison are all over the place but my logic is by a combination of a couple of things.
              moving up classes ect.its a combo of ali and duran's legacy in a way.
              Joe Frazier defeated top contenders such as Oscar Bonavena, Eddie Machen, Doug Jones, George Chuvalo, Buster Mathis, Manuel Ramos, Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Ellis, the LHW champion Bob Foster on his way to unifying the WBC, WBA and NYSAC world heavyweight titles.
              He then defeated the linear, undefeated champion Muhammad Ali going undefeated in his first 29 bouts, mostly against top opposition.

              George Foreman first defeated such men as Kirkman, Wepner, Peralta, Pirez and Paez on his way to getting his first world title shot against Joe Frazier who was by then already recognized as one of the toughest and greatest heavyweights of all time.
              He destroyed Frazier and he destroyed Ken Norton in a title defense, two hall of famers who had beaten Muhammad Ali.
              At this point Foreman was undefeated in 40 fights, 37 of them coming by way of knockout.

              Muhammad Ali was thought to be past his best years when he came back from the 3 year layoff, it was an amazing accomplishment for him to beat the feared, seemingly unbeatable Foreman, just as he had beaten the feared, seemingly unbeatable Sonny Liston 10 years prior.

              Ali, Foreman and Frazier were all olympic gold medal winners as well. We all know what Foreman did after he came back from a long retirement, proving his greatness as a boxer.

              Last edited by TheGreatA; 05-25-2008, 04:29 PM.

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              • AntonTheMeh
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                Originally posted by TheManchine
                Joe Frazier defeated top contenders such as Oscar Bonavena, Eddie Machen, Doug Jones, George Chuvalo, Buster Mathis, Manuel Ramos, Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Ellis, the LHW champion Bob Foster on his way to unifying the WBC, WBA and NYSAC world heavyweight titles.
                He then defeated the linear, undefeated champion Muhammad Ali going undefeated in his first 29 bouts, mostly against top opposition.

                George Foreman first defeated such men as Kirkman, Wepner, Peralta, Pirez and Paez on his way to getting his first world title shot against Joe Frazier who was by then already recognized as one of the toughest and greatest heavyweights of all time.
                He destroyed Frazier and he destroyed Ken Norton in a title defense, two hall of famers who had beaten Muhammad Ali.
                At this point Foreman was undefeated in 40 fights, 37 of them coming by way of knockout.

                Muhammad Ali was thought to be past his best years when he came back from the 3 year layoff, it was an amazing accomplishment for him to beat the feared, seemingly unbeatable Foreman, just as he had beaten the feared, seemingly unbeatable Sonny Liston 10 years prior.
                mach I'm not trying to degrade joe but we all know he and ali made each other.

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