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  • flodistheshizle
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    This an article that tell it like it is about Pacquiao

    August 25, 2008

    MANNY PACQUIAO: IS HE REALLY THE BEST POUND FOR POUND?
    By Michael Herron

    It seems the boxing world has bought into Larry Merchant and HBO's insistence that Pacquiao is the best pound for pound fighter in boxing. Yes, Pacquiao is an exciting fighter but are his accomplishments and performances in the ring really up to pound for pound standards? His claim to the top spot, in my opinion, is largely based on wins over Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. Truth is, only his first fight with Barrera is representative of a top pound for pound performance (which I describe as beating the best while they are the best). Let’s not forget he lost his first fight with Morales and only beat him after Morales lost to Zahir Raheem. By the time of the rematch Morales was a shot fighter, and the third fight was just unnecessary. In addition, the Barrera rematch was also unnecessary as Barrera was also far past his prime.

    Looking closer at Pacquiao it seems that whenever he has a not so great performance in the ring his next fight is usually against an opponent that will make him look good. After his draw with Marquez, he went and beat up on Fahsan 3K battery; after his loss to Morales, he was matched against an average Hector Velasquez; and finally, after his controversial rematch with Marquez, he faced a mild threat against David Diaz. The point of the soft touches is to keep our friend Larry Merchant, HBO, and Pacquiao’s voracious fan base convinced that “Pacman” is the best.

    The biggest problem is that a top pound for pound fighter should be able to distinguish himself as the best fighter in and around his natural weight class. After two controversial fights with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao has not proven that he is the better fighter. Many fans, scribes, and boxing analysis agree that Marquez should be 2-0 against Pacquiao. This, in my opinion, is a glaring inconsistency.

    The most recent pound for pound champion, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has often been criticized for his performance in his first fight with Castillo. To solidify his status, however, he immediately rematches Castillo and beat him convincingly. Pacquiao, on the other hand, seems to get a free pass from critics even though he has not beaten Marquez convincingly! So the question is, why is/was Mayweather’s first fight with Castillo constantly brought up in regards to casting doubt toward his pound for pound standings, yet these same critics are willing to disregard Pacquiao’s poor outings versus Marquez?

    And finally in this pound for pound argument, how can the boxing world ignore the fact that Pacquiao has feasted on Mexican fighters who by culture and tradition tend to fight in the same style? Pacquiao, it must be stated, has beaten no top American fighters and has squared off with no pure boxers; in particular, Black fighters--Latin, African, or American. Names that immediately come to mind are Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, and even Floyd Mayweather, Jr. [Editor's note: Pacquiao was never in the same weight class at any time with Mayweather and had no real opportunity to fight him].

    To to end this argument, I'll give Pacquiao credit as the pound for pound most exciting fighter in boxing, but definitely not the pound for pound best fighter. Now I wouldn't say Marquez is the best pound for pound but as far as skills are concerned he should be rated higher than Pacquiao; and if he beats Casamayor, it will confirm it for me. My suggestion is that the top pound for pound spot remain vacant unless a true pound for pound fighter emerges or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. returns triumphantly to the sport.

    Send questions and comments to: Send comments and questions to mighty_mike7@att.net
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    This piece of ****ing garbage has already has already been posted.

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    • flodistheshizle
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      Originally posted by Wade Wilson 50
      This piece of ****ing garbage has already has already been posted.
      ooops.well maybe you missed something.

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        that is the worst most biased garbage article I ever seen! why is it these floyd lovers have to pick on pacman and compare him just cause the heat came down on floyd jr?

        they cannot face the fact that pacman is loved and floyd jr is not loved.

        also the article is full of **** cause the guy said why does pacman take an easy fight to make him look good between a big fight? wtf did he forget pacman went from ledwaba with 2 weeks notice demolished him then after a few fights went to 126 and demolish marco, then after that went to jmm and had a draw, then after that went to erik morales at 130 and fought a back and forth fight without quitting against the bigger man?

        the article is lame because they never mention floyd jrs string of nothing but weak figths, ndou,corley,bruseles,gatti,shambra mitchell,baldo, judah etc.

        The funny thing is they mention jmm fight...but floyd jr almost lost an SD to OSCAR! lol and this writer can say **** on jmm vs pacman? those fights were close ass fights and competitive floyd jr almost lost the oscar fight due to inactivity and oscar landing a few jabs lol.

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          #5
          One of the worst pieces of **** articles I've read in a long time. Thanks for re-posting this garbage. I really, really appreciate it man.

          I'm going to forward this too all the top black fighters at 122, 126 and 130. Oh **** there aren't any!

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            #6
            Originally posted by flodistheshizle
            ooops.well maybe you missed something.
            What did I miss? You found something about Manny not fighting black fighters, and thought you had hit the gold mine. Sorry chump, I see through you. You're mad because somebody besides your girlfriend is at the top of the P4P list. It's not Manny's, or Latin, OR Asian fighters fault for dominating the lower weight classes.

            So cong****, bigot. You

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            • Eaner0919
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              #7
              I thought we already established that unless Manny fights and beats Derrick Gainer his career isnt complete?

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              • AntonTheMeh
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                just cause floyd is retired doesnt mean you need to start hating on the one chillin on the throne.

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                  Originally posted by flodistheshizle
                  August 25, 2008

                  MANNY PACQUIAO: IS HE REALLY THE BEST POUND FOR POUND?
                  By Michael Herron

                  It seems the boxing world has bought into Larry Merchant and HBO's insistence that Pacquiao is the best pound for pound fighter in boxing. Yes, Pacquiao is an exciting fighter but are his accomplishments and performances in the ring really up to pound for pound standards? His claim to the top spot, in my opinion, is largely based on wins over Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. Truth is, only his first fight with Barrera is representative of a top pound for pound performance (which I describe as beating the best while they are the best). Let’s not forget he lost his first fight with Morales and only beat him after Morales lost to Zahir Raheem. By the time of the rematch Morales was a shot fighter, and the third fight was just unnecessary. In addition, the Barrera rematch was also unnecessary as Barrera was also far past his prime.

                  Looking closer at Pacquiao it seems that whenever he has a not so great performance in the ring his next fight is usually against an opponent that will make him look good. After his draw with Marquez, he went and beat up on Fahsan 3K battery; after his loss to Morales, he was matched against an average Hector Velasquez; and finally, after his controversial rematch with Marquez, he faced a mild threat against David Diaz. The point of the soft touches is to keep our friend Larry Merchant, HBO, and Pacquiao’s voracious fan base convinced that “Pacman” is the best.

                  The biggest problem is that a top pound for pound fighter should be able to distinguish himself as the best fighter in and around his natural weight class. After two controversial fights with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao has not proven that he is the better fighter. Many fans, scribes, and boxing analysis agree that Marquez should be 2-0 against Pacquiao. This, in my opinion, is a glaring inconsistency.

                  The most recent pound for pound champion, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has often been criticized for his performance in his first fight with Castillo. To solidify his status, however, he immediately rematches Castillo and beat him convincingly. Pacquiao, on the other hand, seems to get a free pass from critics even though he has not beaten Marquez convincingly! So the question is, why is/was Mayweather’s first fight with Castillo constantly brought up in regards to casting doubt toward his pound for pound standings, yet these same critics are willing to disregard Pacquiao’s poor outings versus Marquez?

                  And finally in this pound for pound argument, how can the boxing world ignore the fact that Pacquiao has feasted on Mexican fighters who by culture and tradition tend to fight in the same style? Pacquiao, it must be stated, has beaten no top American fighters and has squared off with no pure boxers; in particular, Black fighters--Latin, African, or American. Names that immediately come to mind are Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, and even Floyd Mayweather, Jr. [Editor's note: Pacquiao was never in the same weight class at any time with Mayweather and had no real opportunity to fight him].

                  To to end this argument, I'll give Pacquiao credit as the pound for pound most exciting fighter in boxing, but definitely not the pound for pound best fighter. Now I wouldn't say Marquez is the best pound for pound but as far as skills are concerned he should be rated higher than Pacquiao; and if he beats Casamayor, it will confirm it for me. My suggestion is that the top pound for pound spot remain vacant unless a true pound for pound fighter emerges or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. returns triumphantly to the sport.

                  Send questions and comments to: Send comments and questions to mighty_mike7@att.net
                  No it doesn't Pac has beaten however contrevertially the best fighters in his division. Guzman and Valero only came along recently, Mayweather didn't clear out his last two divisions now whether thats because he wanted the money (which he did) or because he was bored with the sport I don't know. He certainly would clear his division out and he has the talent but if he countinued without fighting the best at 147 then Pac-man would take his spot anyway.

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                  • Patrick Bateman
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                    Why do Floyd fans feel the need to discredit ANYONE who may compete with Floyd in our outside of the ring with him? The only time these people praise a fighter is after Floyd beats him and then the ridiculous overrating begins. Grow up children.

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